Who controls glibc?
Who controls glibc?
Posted May 8, 2018 11:13 UTC (Tue) by spacemachine (guest, #124210)In reply to: Who controls glibc? by mjg59
Parent article: Who controls glibc?
Posted May 8, 2018 12:38 UTC (Tue)
by excors (subscriber, #95769)
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Efficiently fixing trivial issues seems like a requirement for sustainable software development, not a sign of its demise. (And it sounds like this patch was being handled efficiently until Stallman got involved). Sometimes projects will explicitly talk about paper cuts (minor usability bugs that are individually unimportant, but a user who encounters dozens of them will be strongly put off) and technical debt (problems that weren't worth fixing in the short term, but their cost will accumulate until they seriously impede development) because they're aware they need to deal with those minor issues - it's tempting to ignore them and focus on the highest-priority issues instead, but it's important for the project's long-term health to work on the little things too.
(Besides, in this specific case it's easy to find people like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48445031/why-would-it... who seem genuinely confused by the statement and wasted an appreciable amount of time trying to understand it, so it's not a hypothetical problem.)
Posted May 8, 2018 13:17 UTC (Tue)
by spacemachine (guest, #124210)
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Posted May 8, 2018 12:58 UTC (Tue)
by likryol (guest, #115542)
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The real issue (and time waster) was when RMS came in and exerted authority he no longer deserves to have (I understand he is an ideological lead and not someone doing technical work, correct me if I'm wrong) thus creating an argument that anyone watching from the outside will see RMS as an overstepping grossly immature leader. Again, not for the joke but because of the authority he is trying to exercise over something so minuscule. If anything deserves "RIP for glibc" it's his behavior, not the 30 seconds of work it took to remove a dumb joke. And if jokes like that aren't turning people away, it will be seeing arguments like his unfold that will make potential contributors go "oooh...maybe I don't want to get into the middle of that culture..."
And all of that you could ultimately blame on someone making minor changes that don't need to happen, fine whatever maybe you're right. But the trigger for this argument and his excessive use of authority could have been more technical and we'd have the same argument at hand, it's probably happened before. This specific instance is easy to separate the technical from the not and so it ends up being reported on.
Posted May 8, 2018 13:11 UTC (Tue)
by spacemachine (guest, #124210)
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Posted May 8, 2018 19:15 UTC (Tue)
by rra (subscriber, #99804)
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Right now, glibc is blessed with numerous people who are tackling large-scale, impactful work in substantial patch sets on topics ranging broadly from better standards compliance to security improvements to Y2038 issues. I have never seen the project healthier, and I've been following it for over a decade. Even the Hurd port is being resurrected from the dead, which regardless of one's opinions of the importance of this to the broader community is definitely not a trivial or minor effort. And this is happening without, so far as I can see, any slowing down of other work, which speaks to the breadth and capacity of the current development community.
Posted May 9, 2018 11:35 UTC (Wed)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Posted May 17, 2018 22:37 UTC (Thu)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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Posted May 24, 2018 17:34 UTC (Thu)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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This was Roland's project, then Roland and Ulrich's and a few others. Now it is a shared, community-governed project, and frankly RMS's trying to exert dictatorial control over it feels quite offensive, given that there is no sign of him in that community of developers at all.
Posted May 25, 2018 18:54 UTC (Fri)
by shmget (guest, #58347)
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leaving it would not drastically change anything either, and would have taken 0 seconds.
"The real issue (and time waster)" is the removal patch. which created a Streisand effect on an obscure joke that pretty much no-one was aware of.
The stackoverflow link above, when I looked at it had been vewed 790 times.. and I bet most of it was because it was linked above.
iow: that joke has very little visibility, certainly epsilon wrt to 'floss user'. removing it will have 0 effect wrt to drafting new contributor, it it will have a small cumulative effect wrt to discouraging existing ones.... just like the wave of pronoun-war patches inflicted on floss, which had real effect of getting an actual maintainer to call it quit, for what SJW swear were hordes of 'potential contributor' that were not showing up because of it.... yeah .. how things are going in node.js world ?
Posted May 27, 2018 0:52 UTC (Sun)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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That's probably because it isn't in the man page, it's in the Info documentation. Still doesn't make it funny.
Who controls glibc?
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but, I been consulting man pages for years, on myny different boxes and distro. I've never seen the 'joke' before
and it still not visible in any 'man abort' I've just ran on a few varied boxes.
Who controls glibc?
I've never seen the 'joke' before
and it still not visible in any 'man abort' I've just ran on a few varied boxes.