Re: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke
From: | Zack Weinberg <zackw-AT-panix.com> | |
To: | Alexandre Oliva <aoliva-AT-redhat.com> | |
Subject: | Re: [rain1-AT-airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke | |
Date: | Thu, 3 May 2018 21:09:40 -0400 | |
Message-ID: | <CAKCAbMiH=DbZps3rLzAyhK3s8j1nSTEPLB05cgOr4+Oaz9P5NA@mail.gmail.com> | |
Cc: | Florian Weimer <fw-AT-deneb.enyo.de>, "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos-AT-redhat.com>, rms-AT-gnu.org, GNU C Library <libc-alpha-AT-sourceware.org> | |
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com> wrote: > > I'm very disappointed and baffled that an allusion to a taboo topic > that's two-levels removed, in a context in which the taboo topic is > already established and unavoidable, is enough for people to gang up > against not only the founder and leader of the movement, but also its > most fundamental value, and to take the opposite side, practicing > censorship and, by removing the criticism, taking the side of the > censors that established the denounced censorship law. My day job is all about monitoring, researching, and engaging in advocacy against online censorship. As such I take exception to cheapening the word "censorship" by applying it to the present argument. The "gag rule" which the original passage was intended to comment on is indeed an act of censorship. It was imposed by a sovereign state, on ordinary citizens and organizations, restricting them from saying certain things, without exception or recourse, backed up by an explicit threat of withdrawal of funding, and an implicit threat of violence (as all state acts are). That's the central meaning of the word. It is legitimate to expand the definition to non-state actors who are also in a position of significant power, capable of imposing similar bans on entire types of content, groups of people, or subjects of discussion, without recourse. Facebook, for instance, is in a position to act as a censor, and arguably does censor with its "real names" policy which excludes entire groups of people from a public forum because either they wish to remain anonymous, or their actual names don't look sufficiently "real" to whoever is making the call today. Another historical example is the Comics Code Authority, a cartel of comic-book publishers who, for several decades collectively refused to print anything that didn't fit a narrow, socially normative ideal. But what's happening here and now is not censorship. I committed a patch which I believed to have consensus of the active maintainers. The original author of the text removed by the patch objected to the change, and we are now discussing whether the text should be reinstated or replaced with something new. Nobody in the conversation has any particular power over anyone else, and no decisions are being taken in secret or without recourse. I still won't back the patch out myself, but if you or anyone else does, I can't stop you. ---- > that the patch was rushed in after less than 48 hours of debate when > most of us know his email cycles are often longer than that, and that > the person who installed the patch, in spite of expressing regret for > not contacting RMS first, does not offer to correct the mistake and > allow for consensus to be built, insisting on the fait accompli until > someone else offers to revert the change. It's fair to ask why I didn't consult RMS. First off, I honestly did not know that he reads and replies to email in batches with a day or more of lag. I cannot remember the last time I had any reason to communicate with him about _anything_, and my current email archive (which goes back to 2005ish) contains only a handful of messages from him prior to this conversation, all of which were addressed to mailing list threads that I wasn't involved with. The passage that was removed did have an annotation in the Texinfo source specifically saying that it was written by RMS and was not to be removed. However, that annotation (and the passage itself) is so old that the git history does not record when it was added; it has been untouched since before 1995. I assumed that he would not care any more, perhaps not even remember, and it did not seem important enough to bother him about. Again, I regret this incorrect assumption. Despite that, I don't think I did anything wrong procedurally. RMS may be the project leader, but he is not a glibc maintainer. His wishes regarding glibc are perhaps to be given _some_ more weight than those of any other individual, particularly when he is also the author of text under dispute, but we have never, to my knowledge, treated them as mandates. ---- > most of the appointed stewards seem to think it's reasonable to > disregard it, to betray the core values, to practice the opposite of > what we should stand for, so that we can have bland, pasteurized, > neutral purely technical documentation that won't bring anyone any > moral discomfort. Speaking only for myself, it is not moral discomfort that I am concerned with when I say that the manual should avoid the topics of abortion and abortion-related censorship. I am concerned with personal trauma. I know people who have actually had abortions. I also know people who _didn't_ have abortions despite significant family pressure to do so. For all of them, the incident is long in the past, but the nerves are still raw enough that it is not something casually discussed, certainly not joked about. But this is just another anecdote, similar to those several other people have offered. And to be frank, I _don't_ know what they would think of either RMS's original joke or any of the suggested replacements. This brings me to an important meta-point. Almost everyone involved in this thread uses a stereotypically male name. It seems likely that most, if not all, of us can at best claim to _know_ people who have been directly affected by either the gag rule, or the restrictions and controversy over access to abortion, birth control, etc. more generally. I have been taking a hard line here -- these are not appropriate topics for the manual _at all_ -- because I don't think any of us is qualified to write a _good_ joke on this topic, one that would actually be cathartic for the people most directly affected by either abortion- or censorship-related trauma, when they happen upon it unexpectedly in a document that isn't about that. I suppose we could hire Leslie Jones to write one for us. zw