Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 13, 2017 22:05 UTC (Wed) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920)
In reply to: Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing by Cyberax
Parent article: Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Would you please stop talking me about me?

Beliefs about the "futility" of enforcing applicable laws and/or usage policies are of no technical relevance here: DNS "interference" has legitimate use cases.

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 14, 2017 13:07 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (6 responses)

Shame it doesn't work. There is no requirement for porn merchants to carefully partition all their porn into separate domains, so either you end up catching a lot of non-porn in your "porn" filters, or you miss a bunch of porn and all your filtration is for nothing (because there is a finite limit to the amount of porn a human being wants to consume, and the amount on any arbitrarily small sliver of the unfiltered Internet is way higher, so *anything* missed means the whole thing is probably pointless).

Also, humans of a certain age are far more motivated to find the stuff than anyone is likely to be to stop it. This is a race you are bound to lose, with considerable collateral damage being the only outcome.

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 21, 2017 21:31 UTC (Thu) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920) [Link] (5 responses)

As I already wrote: Your unbacked assertion that "I" must be involved in this is both irrelvant and wrong.

Further, your beliefs about the futility of ... are also irrelevant. There are legitmate uses case for what Google would prefer to be referred as "DNS interference".

As to the "it doesn't work": If it really wouldn't work, why would Google burn money trying to stop it from working?

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 21, 2017 22:13 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (3 responses)

> As to the "it doesn't work": If it really wouldn't work, why would Google burn money trying to stop it from working?
So that it won't work at all.

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 21, 2017 22:25 UTC (Thu) by rweikusat2 (subscriber, #117920) [Link] (2 responses)

Always using the same old tricks, are we?

My original statement was that these "internet innovations by Google" would be motivated by making life more difficult for third parties with a good reason to enforce usage policies as enforcement of usage policies would be detrimental to Google revenue. "Parties with a good reason to enforce usage policies" might be "the evil Chineses government" (Google likes talking about that) or "the association of head teachers tasked with preventing porn consumption by minors" (Google likes talking about that much less).

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 21, 2017 22:52 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (1 responses)

I personally have no problems with making life more difficult for third parties that live off Internet censorship. The same technology that is being promoted for "the kids" is also used for everything else.

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Dec 22, 2017 8:25 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

Well, sometimes the only choice is between a filtered Internet and no Internet at all. The former at least allows you to employ creative solutions to circumvent the stuff.

Nottingham: Internet protocols are changing

Posted Jan 4, 2018 11:59 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

As I already wrote: Your unbacked assertion that "I" must be involved in this is both irrelvant and wrong.

Of course I wasn't implying any such thing: 'you' in English can be used to collectively refer to people that do not necessarily include the interlocutor.

Google will burn money trying to stop this from working because politicians will cause a PR disaster if they don't appear to do something. "For the chiilldren" is a very effective rallying cry, even when it relates to matters that children don't care about, or that adolescents care very much about and have diametrically opposing views to their parents on.