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The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Linux.com takes a look at the Intel Edison. "The Intel Edison is a physically tiny computer that draws a small amount of power and breaks out plenty of connections to allow it to interact with other electronics. It begs to be the brain of your next electronics tinkering project, with all the basics in a tiny package and an easy way to connect other things you might need."

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The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 20, 2017 21:37 UTC (Mon) by pj (subscriber, #4506) [Link] (4 responses)

Price makes this a non-starter for me. With $5 ESP8266s, should I really bother with a $50 Edison? Sure it's around a quarter of the machine, but it's 1/10th the cost! Or a Raspberry Pi Zero W, which at $10 is closer to half the machine, is still 1/5th the cost!

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 20, 2017 22:30 UTC (Mon) by thumperward (guest, #34368) [Link]

It's not really designed for get-up-and-go, though, is it. The lack of anything so bourgeois as USB or a/v output makes that clear.

On the other hand, the article makes a point of the RPi's lack of onboard storage. Because MicroSD cards are so much less convenient than entire breakout boards for typing things in and seeing the result.

It's a Linux Foundation "article" about a Linux Foundation member's latest product. How practical it is is irrelevant. This is just what happens instead of trade paperbacks now.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 9:17 UTC (Tue) by zenaan (guest, #3778) [Link]

Price?

How about freedom, thanks! Libre designs, from cores to board, and of course floss code for every tiny piece.

And without those open cores built (or at least manufacturable) by > 1 supplier, how can we have anything resembling trust? CIA board hack leaks followed in short order by Intel's "microcode scanner" is just the tip o' the old iceberg of course..

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 16:10 UTC (Tue) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link]

$5? If you want to get the fully ready to prototype esp8266 huzzah from adafruit you'll pay $9, but you can get the bare esp8266 chips for about $1.30 per for a pack of 10 from aliexpress. They're even cheaper than you thought, if you don't mind them being shipped directly from china and waiting a week or two. I use these little gems for all sorts of things and they're wonderful.

They work very well as little mqtt sensors that I integrate with https://home-assistant.io/

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 20:45 UTC (Tue) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

The problem with that reasoning is that the Pi has predatory pricing and per-customer supply limits. If you decide you want to buy a dozen or two to use as more than a throwaway toy, Intel may look like a bargain. And it's not really 1/5th of the price once you add the required SD card purchase.

The ESPs on the other hand seem to be genuinely short in supply at times which is unfortunate.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 20, 2017 23:08 UTC (Mon) by seanyoung (subscriber, #28711) [Link] (4 responses)

"The block level write performance at almost 19mb/s is quite impressive." Why is this impressive?

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 9:19 UTC (Tue) by zenaan (guest, #3778) [Link]

> Why is this impressive?

Because .. Intel (and CIA / NSA / USA DoD relationships FTW).

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 9:21 UTC (Tue) by ledow (guest, #11753) [Link] (2 responses)

Raspberry Pi is not much better: "you will not much exceed 20 MB/s (read or write) on the pi's SD card bus"

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 17:15 UTC (Tue) by linuxjacques (subscriber, #45768) [Link] (1 responses)

By my calculation, 20MB/s is 9.47 times 19mb/s.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 18:42 UTC (Tue) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

wouldn't mb be millibits and MB be megabytes? So that would be 1/1000th of a bit versus 1,000,000 bytes.. which leads to at least 8 x10^9th which bc says makes the Pi 1052631578.947 times faster than the Edison :). Of course at millibits/sec you are looking at 4.5 bytes per day.... snails might be faster.

[OK that is my comedy for the week.. it was a poor joke at best.]

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 1:31 UTC (Tue) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link] (5 responses)

Standard Linux distros like Fedora/Debian can't run on the Intel Edison due to CPU bugs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quark#Segfault_bug

I guess that is why the article links to a Debian derivative rather than Debian.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 1:33 UTC (Tue) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link]

Looks like that probably doesn't apply to the second version though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Edison

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 9:21 UTC (Tue) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link] (2 responses)

You're not even linking to an article about Edison. Edison uses a different (Silvermont; 22nm) CPU than Quark (Lakemont; 32nm); some quick googling shows that there are plenty of people who have managed to bootstrap Debian on Edison.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 9:42 UTC (Tue) by pabs (subscriber, #43278) [Link] (1 responses)

The first version of Intel Edison used a Quark CPU:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Edison

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 22, 2017 14:59 UTC (Wed) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link]

The first version was, TTBOMK, never available for purchase. The specs changed after the first announcement.

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 23, 2017 9:15 UTC (Thu) by felipebalbi (subscriber, #56613) [Link]

I'm running today's u-boot with today's mainline linux with Debian on an external SD card. My SD card is fast enough:

# dd if=/dev/zero of=file.bin bs=256k count=1024
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
268435456 bytes (268 MB, 256 MiB) copied, 17.0078 s, 15.8 MB/s

# dd if=file.bin of=/dev/null bs=256k iflag=direct
1024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
268435456 bytes (268 MB, 256 MiB) copied, 13.0254 s, 20.6 MB/s

I really don't need any more than that for my testing. Could it be better? Hell yeah!

USB is also acceptably fast. Here's a mass storage using RAM as backing store (remember Edison is HighSpeed only):

$ msc -t 0 -o /dev/sde -s 1M -c 1024 -n
test 0: sent 1.00 GB read 45.23 MB/s write 43.29 MB/s

The Intel Edison: Linux Maker Machine in a Matchbox (Linux.com)

Posted Mar 21, 2017 17:19 UTC (Tue) by linuxjacques (subscriber, #45768) [Link]

Edison has been out for years.

I thought Joule was the new hotness.


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