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Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 14, 2017 1:34 UTC (Tue) by angdraug (subscriber, #7487)
Parent article: Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Sadly, Sir Tim Berners-Lee fails to acknowledge the nefarious role of DRM in entrenching the walled gardens within the Web. The same walled gardens that gauge our personal data in exchange for access to their monopolized content, and exploit that information to spread misinformation and political advertisement. DRM might not be the root cause of all three problems, but it sure has contributed to making these problems intractable.


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Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 14, 2017 2:43 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

Huh, if there's one that can be said about advertisements, political or otherwise, it's that they never involve DRM. After all, the goal is to as widely seen as possible.

...Walled gardens don't require DRM. Unless you consider a unique user identifier to be DRM, that is.

Why so focused on DRM?

Posted Mar 14, 2017 10:00 UTC (Tue) by nettings (subscriber, #429) [Link] (2 responses)

Don't take this as an inflammatory comment, I may be missing something important, but: why would I care? No part of my daily internet diet is DRM'ed. Some parts are behind paywalls, but then I can make an informed decision to support those news sites (which I do). I much prefer to read reporting that is co-financed by its readers rather than solely by advertising.

I'm not a fan of DRM, but sometimes I can't help feel that many anti-DRM people imagine a human right to be entertained. Such a right doesn't exist, and it shouldn't.
If Disney wants to prevent me from consuming their content without paying, their call. My life is fine without Disney. If a director or studio thinks I shouldn't be able to own a copy of their work and pay for each view or lease a film for six weeks, well, there's plenty of other directors and studios in the world. I'll just take my money elsewhere.

The real problem is ever-extending patent and copyright legislation that lets people own ideas, concepts, and historical media forever. The DRM outrage shouldn't distract from this. DRM is just a tool, like scrambling set-top boxes. I don't have to buy in.

Why so focused on DRM?

Posted Mar 14, 2017 13:32 UTC (Tue) by jkingweb (subscriber, #113039) [Link] (1 responses)

DRM is most widely used in entertainment, but not exclusively so. DRM (i.e. an access control method) is used in lots of software, like Windows. It's bad there, too. DRM is also used in electronic books not meant for entertainment (reference books, etc.). It's bad -there-, too.

The endless extension of copyright is a problem as well (and a bigger one at the moment), but not the only one, and its being a problem does not invalidate other problems.

Why so focused on DRM?

Posted Mar 14, 2017 23:07 UTC (Tue) by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844) [Link]

I don't see why any of this contradicts nettings' argument...? One can always choose not to buy into Windows, restricted ebooks, etc.

A slightly more abstract concern that I have is that for the first time in history, we're capable, as a species, of preserving our culture in perfect fidelity. While I don't think that humanity necessarily has a "right" to its collective culture either, I would still hope that our governments don't give corporations the ability to lock away our heritage forever. Encrypting data just means that it will end up lost as soon as the keyholder goes out of business, I don't see that as any less of a catastrophe than an ancient library burning down or whatever.

Mildly related: NASA open-sourced the Apollo code that Margaret Hamilton and her team wrote [0]! Browsing through this old treasure-trove is really delightful.

[0] https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 15, 2017 18:03 UTC (Wed) by angdraug (subscriber, #7487) [Link] (4 responses)

I am not trying to downplay all other problems listed by Tim. As I said, DRM is not the root of all evil, but it is a major problem that W3C should have recognized and treated as such, instead of caving in to pressure from corporate sponsors and legitimizing a concept that directly opposes the open and collaborative nature of the Web. It is especially disturbing to see it entirely omitted from Tim's post when I can plainly see several different ways it has contributed to creating the problems he described. Stay with me, and I will explain this further.

First of all, don't overestimate the impact of your personal buying decisions, or your own ability to remain unimpacted by DRM. Most people don't even know what DRM is, and most of the people who do, don't care. In the absense of market pressure and other limiting factors, use of DRM is going to keep spreading to more and more types of content, until the shrinking niche of non-DRM content becomes unable to satisfy even your narrow needs.

You may shrug off the "right to be entertained" as non-essential, but even if we manage to keep textbooks and reference materials DRM-free (which I'm not convinced is a given), what you call "entertainment" constitutes most of our cultural heritage. Fiction books, movies, TV series, stand up comedy, music clips, video games, even memes and cat pictures are all part our communication framework, reference points for describing our world, expressing concepts and emotions, and establishing empathic connections that tie the fabric of our society together. Locking it all down with DRM is the digital equivalent of burning the Library of Alexandria and going back to oral tradition as primary means of preserving culture.

The economic significance of entertainment is just as important. Like it or not, as automation pushes humans out of production, transportation, and services, entertainment's role in global economy is only going to grow. Which means that legal, economic, and social structures reinforced by DRM are going to influence more and more people involved in producing and distributing DRM-protected content.

And now consider what exactly are the legal, economic, and social structures that DRM was created to reinforce, and where those structures would be without it. Taken in its entirety, the concept of "intellectual property" uses artificial monopolies and censorship to enforce ownership over contents of our minds. In an era when intellectual labour takes precedence of manual labour, it is the economic equivalent of slavery. Between online piracy, free software movement, and Streissand effect, the Internet has made enforcement of intellectual property so impractical that the whole concept almost shattered, and gave way to alternatives based on open collaboration, decentralization, and gift economy. DRM is what kept those alternatives confined to narrow niches instead of becoming the only practical way to produce and distribute online content.

And this is how DRM has contributed to re-centralization of the Web into walled gardens and motivated universal identity tracking.
Unlike gift economy, which is works just as well if not better with strong online anonymity and pseudonymity, intellectual property protected by DRM requires you to provide personally identifiable information (credit card number, home address, eventually all the way to a retina scan or DNA imprint because passwords don't work) to every content distributor. The advertisement method of monetizing content takes this need for tracking your identity even further, making not just your identity but the whole record of your online activities a valuable commodity.

Without DRM and the intellectual property regime that it sustains, everyone would have the option to obtain the same content from sources that do not track and sell your identity, significantly reducing if not removing altogether the economic incentive to build centralized walled gardens and advertisement networks that have created all three challenges described by Sir Tim Berners-Lee.

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 16, 2017 21:27 UTC (Thu) by ssmith32 (subscriber, #72404) [Link] (3 responses)

A nitpick: even accepting your assumptions, it's equivalent to *intellectual* slavery (I own your thoughts vs I own your physical being).

Economic slavery, it is not. DRM is not a particularly strong force in coercing individuals into de-facto slavery based on their economic conditions. It can be used either way. Other forces in our societies take care of that just fine (misogony, racism, any kind of arbitrary solely gene-based attribute used for socioeconomic and legal class sorting of individuals)

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 16, 2017 21:52 UTC (Thu) by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106) [Link] (2 responses)

> A nitpick: even accepting your assumptions, it's equivalent to *intellectual* slavery (I own your thoughts vs I own your physical being).

That isn't really any better. They might only claim to "own your thoughts" but if you "think" the wrong things they will seize your physical property, and put your physical being in jail or worse if you resist. It's limited to the intellect only so long as you comply. The threat of physical violence against anyone who does not comply is exactly the same as regular non-intellectual slavery. This absence of any sense of proportion in enforcement is one of the more straightforward arguments against intellectual monopoly.

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 16, 2017 22:01 UTC (Thu) by ssmith32 (subscriber, #72404) [Link] (1 responses)

Oh yeah, it's definitely worse a lot of the time. I mean, I can accept being poor, or beholden to idiots due to economic conditions it's been done on my part before. But I have never been comfortable with the idea that someone owns my thoughts.

One reason I pointed that out :)

Three challenges for the web, according to its inventor

Posted Mar 17, 2017 4:03 UTC (Fri) by angdraug (subscriber, #7487) [Link]

I didn't say "economic slavery", I said "economic equivalent of slavery". I'm not referring to economic enforcement of servitude (in another place I would gladly elaborate on the meaning of "wage slavery", but here, it would go too far off topic).

Instead, I'm equating the economic impact of intellectual property to that of slavery. Most obviously redistribution of wealth (from individual creators to corporate owners) and stifling of innovation and creativity, but also the inherent need to replace positive motivation with disproportionately violent enforcement, combinatorial explosion of legal complexity, and so on, create chilling effect on all economic activities involving intellectual labour.


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