Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 1:01 UTC (Sat) by roc (subscriber, #30627)
In reply to: Firefox 52.0 by mgb
Parent article: Firefox 52.0

Of course: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry/FAQ

The data is, of course, carefully anonymized.

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 1:51 UTC (Sat) by mgb (guest, #3226) [Link] (7 responses)

So Mozilla has no data from serious users then.

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 1:57 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (6 responses)

> So Mozilla has no data from serious users then.

What does that mean, exactly?

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 2:02 UTC (Sat) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (2 responses)

Tinfoil-hat-wearing Veteran Unix Administrators. Duh.

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 10:07 UTC (Sat) by jrigg (guest, #30848) [Link] (1 responses)

>Tinfoil-hat-wearing Veteran Unix Administrators.

Does this kind of dismissive stereotyping contribute anything useful to the discussion?

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 13:33 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

It seems like a fairly accurate interpretation of a comment claiming that gathering telemetry by definition gains no data from 'serious users'. The implication I read was "users like mgb", but given mgb's comment history on this site (nearly 100% anti-systemd and anti-Poettering crusades and never subscribing as far back as I can remember) I don't see why anyone would feel any sort of loss at not gathering telemetry from a user like that.

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 2:15 UTC (Sat) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link] (2 responses)

I think it really means "me".

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 13:35 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (1 responses)

Quite. Turning telemetry off and then whining that Mozilla broke features you use seems profoundly self-defeating to me. The point of the telemetry is to tell that the features you use are actually in use: by turning it off, you're saying that you don't care if Mozilla doesn't take your personal usage patterns into consideration by making changes. If it then goes ahead and doesn't take your personal usage patterns into consideration, it is just doing what you asked!

Firefox 52.0

Posted Mar 11, 2017 19:37 UTC (Sat) by rompel (guest, #4512) [Link]

Not really a fair argument given that telemetry is off by default in release builds.

In fact, with telemetry only coming from users who have installed a pre-release build (and not opted-out) or have manually turned on an obscure preference knob, it's hard to make the case that the data comes from a representative sample of users.