Using systemd for more secure services in Fedora
Using systemd for more secure services in Fedora
Posted Dec 29, 2016 23:25 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743)In reply to: Using systemd for more secure services in Fedora by drag
Parent article: Using systemd for more secure services in Fedora
The upstream themselves in which their attitude to upstream involvement or exclusion of init script of anykind?
Their slow rate adopting type systemd units for their components or keeping up with the rate of change in systemd?
( An approach which they can never do, for systemd or for any other component for that matter. )
The fact packager claiming themselves somehow being developers in the distribution ( which probably has something to do with the fact at one point in history those that did downstream package maintenance where upstream developers and somehow managed to call themselves developers in downstream distributions ) when majority of them for those what 15k components in Fedora these days barely can debug their own component and full fill their role as distribution maintainers and acting as a liason between downstream and upstream?
Fedora being first in anything other than dressing itself in emperors clothes or having the PLL leading the community in circles. that's a good laugh well except for the Gnome half of the Red Hat Desktop team continuously breaking existing users setups but then again Gnome has been in continues beta state since I started using Gnome in Red Hat Linux 6.x somewhere around the year 2000 so technically is not a change or a feature, it's more like expected or tradition at this point in time.
"Generally speaking" concept like 'upstream first' cannot work with type systemd units until the fragmentation that exists in the downstream core/baseOS level seize to exist and I was personally saving one of such fight with the Red Hatters until I was done with the migration and would be doing the required clean up process to get the entire distribution on par with the current state of systemd at that time.
Seizing the fragmentation on the core/baseOS level is met with two opposition the corporate half ( Red Hat,Suse,Canonical ) who's having pissing contest on each other to gain market share thus "have" to deviate from each other in the process on that level and downstream distributions who think Linux is about choice and feel their freedom is threaten if someone change or do so differently from them.
The exact same mess and or quality depending how you view those scripts as was in legacy sysv init scripts has emerged upstream in systemd type units as in people that have no understanding of how type units work, do monkey sees, monkey copies and monkey pushes upstream type submitting, have pushed type units upstream, in which upstream which has no idea how systemd works thus cannot reliably review them, let alone fully understand what it's capable of and accept them relying on the "expertise" of the submitter.