Danko: Next steps for Gmane
I petitioned some of our directors to allow us to offer to take it over and in the end we entered into agreement with Lars to take over Gmane. The assets of Gmane have been placed into a UK company Gmane Ltd. As part of the agreement, we have received the INN spool with all the articles but none of the code that drives the site. We’ve started rebuilding parts of the site just to get it back online, its not perfect and there are pieces missing but we’re working on building all the functionality back into the site." (Thanks to Brian Thomas)
Posted Sep 6, 2016 19:20 UTC (Tue)
by cesarb (subscriber, #6266)
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Posted Sep 6, 2016 19:28 UTC (Tue)
by Delimiter (guest, #111054)
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Posted Sep 6, 2016 19:49 UTC (Tue)
by warrax (subscriber, #103205)
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Amazeballs.
Posted Sep 6, 2016 20:42 UTC (Tue)
by josh (subscriber, #17465)
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Posted Sep 7, 2016 3:57 UTC (Wed)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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http://mid.gmane.org/alpine.BSF.2.00.1004291655110.61392@...
Posted Sep 7, 2016 23:46 UTC (Wed)
by Delimiter (guest, #111054)
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Posted Sep 8, 2016 6:02 UTC (Thu)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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Posted Sep 6, 2016 19:51 UTC (Tue)
by mbunkus (subscriber, #87248)
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Thank you very much for working on this, Martin (and whoever else is participating).
Posted Sep 7, 2016 1:15 UTC (Wed)
by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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Posted Sep 6, 2016 20:34 UTC (Tue)
by vapier (guest, #15768)
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Posted Sep 7, 2016 4:40 UTC (Wed)
by fredrik (subscriber, #232)
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There is a bit of context missing both from this lwn article and the blog: Who are the "we" the article refers to? Is it just one person who has formed Gmane Ltd, or is it a group? And if it is a group, who are they, and what if any other group do they originate from?
I also wonder what their plans are for funding and sustainability, both staff wise and financially? And will Gmane Ltd take over maintenance of the news service too, or is the effort limited to only the web services?
Posted Sep 7, 2016 5:14 UTC (Wed)
by fredrik (subscriber, #232)
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There is a tiny amount of info on the updated gmane about page. It still leaves more questions unanswered. Will Gmane remain open? In addition to my previous questions, now I'm concerned that Gmane might not keep operating in the spirit of open access and FLOSS in the future. Instead slowly turning to proprietary products and proprietary source. I hope I'm wrong! Frankly I was hoping that something like the Internet Archive would have taken over operations of Gmane. A such vital part of the internet should be maintained as a public good.
Posted Sep 7, 2016 8:46 UTC (Wed)
by juliank (guest, #45896)
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Posted Sep 7, 2016 23:57 UTC (Wed)
by Delimiter (guest, #111054)
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Martin and Mark are both advocates of open-source, Martin is developer, Mark a network engineer. They've rebuilt it on Elasticsearch with Python and PHP, they're modernising the backend whilst keeping the frontend the same for now.
It will take time to bring about all the changes needed but I think its in good hands.
> Frankly I was hoping that something like the Internet Archive would have taken over operations of Gmane. A such vital part of the internet should be maintained as a public good.
Internet Archive could archive the text but Gmane as it was and now is, needed a rewrite and some overhaul and on-going TLC.
Posted Sep 7, 2016 23:53 UTC (Wed)
by Delimiter (guest, #111054)
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The operation of Gmane is being broken down into:
Development currently handled by Martin Danko (Yomura) and assisted by Mark Turner (Yomura)
The project is funded by Yomura, Martin is allowed to spend a certain amount of his paid time per week to work and improve the project. He has spent the past few weeks working on this quick rebuild.
Moving forward, the project is funded, its got infrastructure (servers/network/people) and there is momentum behind it to bring about many of the long wanted features.
Gmane Ltd will take over the NNTP service shortly but Martin was overwhelmed with the work to get the website rebuilding and back online. I expect this month that the NNTP service will move.
Martin monitors the comments on the blog http://home.gmane.org/ so if you want to talk to him directly you can message him there.
Posted Sep 8, 2016 6:07 UTC (Thu)
by fredrik (subscriber, #232)
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I'm happy to hear that Martin and Mark are both open source advocates. It would be nice if Martin and Mark introduced themselves a bit more in depth, say on the gmane home page and naturally in the news group gmane.discuss too. No full bio and CV expected, just a friendly hello and who am I. Thanks!
My efforts to search for information about them have come up short, their names are not unique, and I failed to find an obvious presence on FLOSS mailing lists. I'm sure that's just because I don't know what to look for, thus a helping hand here would be appreciated.
Why I ask? Gmane is a essential part of the internet for me, while I mostly lurk, I spend more time than I care to admit following FLOSS discussions using the Gmane nntp interface and slrn. So I'm eager to see a sustainable and open future development of Gmane.
Fredrik Jonson
Posted Sep 8, 2016 10:40 UTC (Thu)
by fabbo (guest, #63822)
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Posted Sep 8, 2016 11:05 UTC (Thu)
by TomH (subscriber, #56149)
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Posted Sep 7, 2016 19:43 UTC (Wed)
by dw (subscriber, #12017)
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Posted Sep 8, 2016 21:46 UTC (Thu)
by xorgy (guest, #103618)
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Posted Sep 9, 2016 14:15 UTC (Fri)
by civodul (guest, #58311)
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news.gmane.org will work once we transition the nntp gateway off that hostname.
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At the end of July 2016, Gmane briefly closed and was acquired by Yomura in mid August. [...] The site uses a variety of technology provided by Yomura's subsidiary Delimiter.http://gmane.org/about/
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Server management by Delimiter (one of Yomura's hosting companies)
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