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don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 12, 2016 11:09 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: don't make me laugh by mgraesslin
Parent article: Gräßlin: Multi-screen woes in Plasma 5.7

So parts of that comment were rather unpleasant, but to this observer (with one Plasma 5 installation that works on a single-monitor setup and one multi-monitor one atop an ATI video card that failed so inconsistently and erratically that I moved to LXDE-Qt, which, uh, works, despite using the oh-so-broken Qt 5), this reads as if you are using the nasty parts of that comment as a way to avoid addressing any of its substantive points.

Look, I get that wm development is hard and drives people to insanity in record time, and I get that crucial parts of the stack are broken, but the fact remains that if your software depends on a broken stack of components you replace or repair the broken pieces until you get something that works (e.g. perhaps getting and using an ATI video card, on which multi-monitor support works perfectly; or finding out what LXDE-Qt are doing to make multi-monitor support work). You don't post blog posts containing a litany of excuses: that just makes you look like you're whining and does nothing but reassure your users that you are not actually trying to fix the problem in any meaningful sense: you're trying to fob the problem off on other people.

After all, all the pieces here are free software and with the exception of the Intel portion none requires specialized hardware knowledge. At no point did you say why you couldn't fix any of the Qt bugs: you just took it as read that of course you wouldn't because that was in a different silo!


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Posted Jul 12, 2016 16:01 UTC (Tue) by einar (guest, #98134) [Link]

> t no point did you say why you couldn't fix any of the Qt bugs: you just took it as read that of course you wouldn't because that was in a different silo!

For the record, many of the glaring issues with QScreen were fixed by KDE developers.

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 12, 2016 18:01 UTC (Tue) by mgraesslin (guest, #78959) [Link] (5 responses)

> At no point did you say why you couldn't fix any of the Qt bugs: you just took it as read that of course you wouldn't because that was in a different silo!

git shortlog -- src/plugins/platforms/xcb/qxcbscreen.*:

Martin Gräßlin (2):
Enable XSync extension also for KWin
Do not overwrite existing event mask of root window

with 3 more changes by KDE devs. Overall in the xcb plugin I just counted 53 commits by KDE devs. Many of them being screen related.

So I think we do our job there.

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 13, 2016 14:57 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (4 responses)

Yeah, that's why I found the tone so odd -- it was as if you were saying "not our fault, the bug is over there" while, oftentimes, *fixing* the bug over there. Your tone and honestly content were implying that KDE was incredibly siloed and nobody touched Qt, which was completely at odds with everything I understood about the amount of cross-development by the two groups (insofar as there even *are* two groups).

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 13, 2016 15:29 UTC (Wed) by mgraesslin (guest, #78959) [Link] (3 responses)

The tone was caused because I told a user on Thursday to report an issue to Qt and it got closed the same day with "cannot reproduce" according to the user. Understandably I was rather pissed by that in combination with on the same day having been told in a bug report I reported a few months ago, that I should fix it myself. I just wanted to make clear that Qt has to fix their bugs and not wait for the KDE devs fixing all the bugs we see with their code base.

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 13, 2016 17:10 UTC (Wed) by tuna (guest, #44480) [Link] (2 responses)

Could you please provide the link to the bug? Since you never do I start to believe you are not telling the whole story.

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 13, 2016 19:05 UTC (Wed) by mgraesslin (guest, #78959) [Link] (1 responses)

don't make me laugh

Posted Jul 13, 2016 21:30 UTC (Wed) by tuna (guest, #44480) [Link]

Thank you!


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