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Distributors ponder a systemd change

Distributors ponder a systemd change

Posted Jun 8, 2016 8:22 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (guest, #27950)
In reply to: Distributors ponder a systemd change by jaromil
Parent article: Distributors ponder a systemd change

> good luck trusting the systemd developer team

It is humorous that you're using your message to complain about how Devuan is not respect, while above quote is pretty lacking respect IMO. In the last article I pointed out how aggressive the Devuan mailing list is.

> If we include and respect the forks and the freedom some of us have taken to opt out

So you want to be included in on a systemd discussion, while you've opted out of systemd?!?


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Distributors ponder a systemd change

Posted Jun 8, 2016 8:35 UTC (Wed) by jaromil (guest, #97970) [Link] (3 responses)

>> good luck trusting the systemd developer team

> It is humorous that you're using your message to complain about how Devuan is not respect, while above quote is pretty lacking respect IMO.

I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say in English language, however I am not lacking respect. I sincerely wish everyone going the systemd way good luck. Further in my message I state that I do not trust the systemd developers. I'm free to do so and that is not lack of respect, that is basic communication. You are free to not trust me. That's how networks of trust are made, actually.

I take the occasion to state that my message was not directed to Corbet, whom has been very correct in including Devuan in the picture with his past article, for which even he has received immediate and very disrespectful critic in response.
My message is directed to you and all the other hooligans. I hope you understand it, but I'm noticing it may just be inflamatory, so I'll ignore further manipulations in this thread.

>> If we include and respect the forks and the freedom some of us have taken to opt out
>So you want to be included in on a systemd discussion, while you've opted out of systemd?!?

I have the right to be in this forum as much as you do. I have opinions about systemd, I like to debate them and I'm even open to criticism.

Please note that our project, Devuan, has been among the first to struggle to avoid personal attacks and create a platform for civil debate and constructive action in the middle of a very unpleasant escalation of views about systemd. Please help me perceive that systemd is not made of young bullies and a crowd of hooligan supporters. Your approach now does nurture this perception in me.

ciao

Distributors ponder a systemd change

Posted Jun 8, 2016 8:51 UTC (Wed) by jaromil (guest, #97970) [Link]

FTR: you were the one labeling our Devuan dng mailinglist as 'toxic' on the base of very low factual interaction.
You did so while disregarding the answers that official Devuan developers have taken the time to give to your questions, but went quoting answers from other random posters who are not affiliated to the mailinglist.
Reference: https://lwn.net/Articles/685750/
MVG

Please

Posted Jun 8, 2016 13:04 UTC (Wed) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (1 responses)

If you are going to talk about respect and avoiding personal attacks, calling others "hooligans" is probably just not the best way to go about it. Can we please keep the name-calling out of the discussion?

Please

Posted Jun 8, 2016 15:48 UTC (Wed) by jaromil (guest, #97970) [Link]

Sure, sorry. In the last messages was indeed my resentment talking.
Please note in my first reply I call 'hooligans' people acting as such on both camps.
ciao


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