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Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?

Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?

Posted Apr 13, 2016 8:16 UTC (Wed) by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942)
In reply to: Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation? by Del-
Parent article: Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?

> The point is that closed source is a guarantee for no maintenance once the vendor drops support.

This is not true either. If a person is determined enough, the specs can be obtained/deduced. A closed gadget could be treated as a tough challenge worth attention when a maintenance of open code could be perceived as a dull task. Also consider long-term effects. With easy proprietary forking there will be be less code to begin with slowing down development and giving more time to develop open drivers. Essentially there is no data to confirm/disprove that lack of copyleft results ultimately in less open code.


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Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?

Posted Apr 13, 2016 9:19 UTC (Wed) by Del- (guest, #72641) [Link]

> If a person is determined enough, the specs can be obtained/deduced.

I am pragmatic. There are always exceptions to any trend. There are always outliers to any distribution. You are focussing on an outlier. I find that irrelevant.

Copyleft is designed specifically to avoid forking, it is specifically crafted to stimulate collaboration and community building. Permissive licenses is an alternative to that, specifically crafted to stimulate forking. The data points showing that both works as intended is abundant. If you refuse to see that, then I am not sure there is anything anybody can do to convince you.

There is nothing wrong with permissive licenses, they have their use, as eminently demonstrated by Android. Google went with permissive to allow all vendors to add their own secret juice. Beyond Google's own Nexus devices, it is practically impossible to get an Android phone without a proprietary layer. I only found the Oneplus One, but even that has a proprietary layer in its home market. The license works as intended, and as long as Google puts in the resources to keep Android progressing, it works. I welcome all the open code, but I would switch in a blink if a viable community with a copyleft alternative surfaced.


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