Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Posted Apr 12, 2016 0:27 UTC (Tue) by dbaker (guest, #89236)In reply to: Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation? by atai
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PS4 runs a proprietary FreeBSD derivative though, doesn't it?
Posted Apr 12, 2016 0:29 UTC (Tue)
by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
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Posted Apr 12, 2016 23:55 UTC (Tue)
by rahvin (guest, #16953)
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I personally believe that without the rise of Linux and GPL we'd still be in the same nasty proprietary mix of software. It's only the popularity of Linux that made BSD licenses even interesting to companies. But the companies behind those BSD licensed products will close it all up in a heart beat if they think it's to their advantage. That Apple kernel would disappear behind close doors the minute someone else started using it to compete against Apple. GPL is the only way to guarantee a fair playing field IMO.
Posted Apr 13, 2016 1:45 UTC (Wed)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Apr 13, 2016 7:16 UTC (Wed)
by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164)
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Perhaps there is a time and place thing here. Some projects might be fine with a BSD license, things which are low level infrastructure maybe, and if you are largely afraid of forks and people not contributing. It is hard to say how much MORE these projects would have had in terms of contributions if they were GPL but it is undeniable that some parties wouldn't have used the software and thus perhaps not contributed. Hard to say how the balance works out but certainly the projects do fine with the license as it is.
On the other hand a business model like ownCloud would not work with the BSD (we have to push frequently to have ppl comply with the GPL) and if consumers care about control over their devices the GPL is quite crucial as well.
Posted Apr 13, 2016 7:18 UTC (Wed)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Do you think nobody would have written a minimalistic Linux distro for routers without WRT? It was not even the first user-friendly web-enabled "router type" distribution!
Posted Apr 13, 2016 7:23 UTC (Wed)
by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
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The only reason we have support for the majority of routers in *any* distribution is because the vendors released their source code, frequently as a result of either past enforcement actions or the threat of future ones. Just as in the phone market, router vendors have demonstrated that they have no interest in releasing their source code unless compelled to.
Posted Apr 13, 2016 8:57 UTC (Wed)
by Del- (guest, #72641)
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I see you are cherry-picking again. It has already happened with nginx (which has given original Apache a run for the money the last decade), which now for quite some time require the paid version for load balancing. I believe I made you aware of that fact a couple of years ago here. Selective memory maybe?
It has happened to webkit. Both forking (Google and Apple seem to want separate ways), and open-core (a web-engine without a browser is useless for any user, and Safari is not open source).
It has happened to LLVM, LLVM is also useless to users, while xcode is as proprietary as ever. Try developing for mac on anything but a mac, and you may see my point. Then again, I doubt you want to see any of my points. The only reason LLVM is open itself, is the fact that GCC was the gorilla in the room, a gorilla who had crushed every proprietary offering (Intel and MS is barely clinging on). Everybody knew that to compete they had to go open. Beyond the compiler and libs, that is bits in direct competition to GCC, Apple open sourced nothing. It is a data point strongly supporting what you try to refute.
Docker also has all seems to have all user facing bits proprietary: https://www.docker.com/pricing
Haadop, really? This fits in your top ten list I believe. Do you check any facts before you post?
Posted Apr 13, 2016 14:21 UTC (Wed)
by flussence (guest, #85566)
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Posted Apr 12, 2016 2:05 UTC (Tue)
by alkadim (guest, #104623)
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Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
https://gigaom.com/2011/03/25/as-big-data-takes-off-the-h...
Apache is a bit in the dark as to how to handle the mess too:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-general/2...
it is a perfect example of Unix wars all over again. I do hope open source wins in the end mind you, but I do not share your ideological belief there. The data points are all too abundant. If you by any chance have any interest in reality as opposed to staying in an ideological bubble (where all data points that don't fit your world view are filtered out), I suggest this is a good time to open up the mind.
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?
Moglen: How Should the Free Software Movement View the Linux Foundation?