Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Feb 25, 2016 9:13 UTC (Thu) by shykes (guest, #107289)
In reply to: Systemd vs. Docker by mezcalero
Parent article: Systemd vs. Docker

Hi Lennard. To my knowledge the Docker maintainers have no complaint on the behavior or design of systemd - I don't think they care either way. So they have no particular reason to send requests or messages on the systemd mailing list. On the other hand, the Docker repo receives a huge amount of patches from Red Hat to modify Docker in unnatural ways to fit the needs of systemd. In spite of clear and specific feedback, the broken patches keep coming. The result is that Docker maintainers make fun of systemd-related patches. I have seen those patches - the jokes are well deserved. But it's all in good spirit. We're among civilized hackers, let's not give in to drama!

Happy hacking

Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Feb 25, 2016 12:34 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (1 responses)

Perhaps next time that humor and jokes should be targeted directly at Red Hat where it belongs instead of systemd and it's community.

Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Feb 25, 2016 15:44 UTC (Thu) by shykes (guest, #107289) [Link]

Let's keep a sense of perspective here... A Docker maintainer at a Docker community event made a private joke for her co-maintainers about a very concrete aspect of their day-to-day life as maintainers. It's not like she staged a protest at a systemd hackfest.

Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Feb 26, 2016 9:20 UTC (Fri) by mildred593 (guest, #107325) [Link] (2 responses)

It's not just RedHat. Docker never integrated well with the host OS, and especially if the OS runs systemd. These patches are about making life simpler to users of Docker that happen to be on systemd.

Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Mar 3, 2016 16:10 UTC (Thu) by shykes (guest, #107289) [Link] (1 responses)

That's incorrect. Docker works fine on systemd. What doesn't work is wrapping every call to Docker through systemd. It's an awkward integration and is not recommended. If you use them on the same machine for their intended purpose, they work just fine together.

Systemd vs. Docker

Posted Mar 4, 2016 2:03 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

When you work with other people who use a system, what you think of as "intended purpose" may not matter all that much, what people want to do and are doing with the system is what matters, in this case running Docker format container services orchestrated through systemd and its existing dependency resolution and service management framework. I'm sorry that you personally think such use is "unnatural" but ultimately your customers decide.