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Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 23, 2016 3:48 UTC (Sat) by piotrjurkiewicz_ (guest, #106508)
In reply to: Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes by rahvin
Parent article: Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

(I wrote here an elaborated answer explaining why in my opinion Karen Sandler's rule was a bad period for both Gnome and open source. Editor removed that comment, apparently in order to not reignite the flame war. However, I still think that I have a right to respond to rahvin's accusations, so I am posting this short response.)

> the editorial staff asked you to stop posting

In the last thread editor asked me to come back to the original topic (http://lwn.net/Articles/672819/) and I complied with his request (http://lwn.net/Articles/672835/).

> The audience of this website is not interested in what you have to say

So far only few people stated that, using rather abusive tone (calling others 'idiots' and 'trolls' instead trying to disprove their criticism of KS actions). As I believe that most of this website audience are well-mannered people, those behaving that way that cannot be a good sample of the population.

I will stop here, as editor apparently does not want to see further discussion on this topic here. As my final point, I would like to wish you that some day you will understand that KS decision to start consider non-merit factors in open source was a *very* bad thing, which will have profound negative consequences in the future.


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Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 23, 2016 12:48 UTC (Sat) by pboddie (guest, #50784) [Link] (5 responses)

As my final point, I would like to wish you that some day you will understand that KS decision to start consider non-merit factors in open source was a *very* bad thing, which will have profound negative consequences in the future.

You made that point already with your absurd "true programming" label. And as I noted, the things that you don't consider to have "merit" have been regarded as essential aspects of any complete software project for quite some time.

Many projects would benefit from a larger contributor base where the "true programmers" contribute a lower proportion of the total resulting work. One might have to reach beyond the normal "true programmers" demographic to achieve this. And there we have the basis of an idea for something: have you worked out what that might be?

(I actually wonder how "true programmers" would get a degree or other higher education qualification. In some education systems, one doesn't need to write any kind of thesis at bachelor degree level, which is why some employers insist on a masters degree. Or maybe their supervisor had to really drag such people away from "true programming" and push them hard to write something up.)

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 23, 2016 12:56 UTC (Sat) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

> I actually wonder how "true programmers" would get a degree or other higher education qualification.

Oh, that's easy -- Scotland, where only the truest of the true can be found.

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 23, 2016 14:35 UTC (Sat) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (1 responses)

I still think this conversation has little to do with the current change in the Linux Foundation's by-laws, and I still think we would be better off if it wound down. Please, can we let that happen?

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 29, 2016 8:51 UTC (Fri) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

Vague impression that "off-topicness" was role-modeled even higher than the top of this thread...

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 23, 2016 18:56 UTC (Sat) by trenton (guest, #106520) [Link] (1 responses)

> the things that you don't consider to have "merit" have been regarded as essential aspects of any complete software project for quite some time.

As far as I understood the previous conversation, by saying 'non-merit factors' OP meant things like gender and sexual orientation, which were key factors in OPW candidate selection process. To be honest, I don't think that they 'have been regarded as essential aspects of any complete software project for quite some time', nor they should be regarded as such.

Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes

Posted Jan 30, 2016 15:06 UTC (Sat) by pboddie (guest, #50784) [Link]

Just to rectify any misunderstanding here, the OP suggested that OPW projects (unlike GSoC projects) involved things that were not "true programming", suggesting a connection between gender and the ability to do "true programming".

My point was that even the things that the OP does not ostensibly regard as having any merit (a separate issue to any "merit" in selection criteria) are actually essential parts of programming and software development, specifically things like documentation (not the other stuff regarding selection criteria, just to repeat myself).

It would be absurd to suggest that gender and sexual orientation are essential aspects of software development, but if anyone appears to believe such a thing, it would be the OP, not me.

(I have nothing to add on the topic of bureaucracy in what amounts to a corporate "slush fund" with a bit of programming being done on the side. My apologies for extending the thread purely to clarify the above.)


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