IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
Posted Jan 11, 2016 16:31 UTC (Mon) by paulj (subscriber, #341)In reply to: IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica) by farnz
Parent article: IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
That's why the comment of mine you're replying to deliberately mentioned TCP, "IP has options, as has TCP." and wasn't specific on at which level you'd use the option, "You can include the expanded address space identifiers (src and dst) as an option.". ;)
At this stage, IPv6 hopefully can't fail. However, as per another comment, adoption of v6 is still sufficiently slow that if another, more useful (e.g. better transition) protocol came along that then people might favour adopting that. Unlikely at this stage, but not impossible.
Such a protocol might even go so further than the above, and do the extension at the HTTP(S) level. E.g. I can SSH into hosts that do not have any public IP addresses and are even behind firewalls, by making such hosts connect to Tor and publish a tor service on a Tor address. And note that this is possible directly with clients that support the SOCKS API to offload a lot of the networking details to the local Tor relay itself - no need to update the clients to deal with a new address family and protocol. Even non-SOCKS clients potentially still can access Tor services, if they're fairly standard in what they do network wise, using an LD_PRELOADED library to capture regular network API uses and divert to SOCKS.
And note that the host with Tor need not have any direct connection to the IPv4 Internet at all. All it needs is to be able to access a HTTP(S) proxy that has public Internet access. That host can then access the Internet, and other Tor-enabled hosts can access it.
See also LISP, which can also run v6 LISPed space tunnelled over v4 I think.
Posted Jan 12, 2016 0:21 UTC (Tue)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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I'm talking about routers sold in 2000, though, not just routers sold today. If 15 years ago, blocking IP options was normal in the forwarding path on home routers, what makes you think that it'd have succeeded as a transition plan?
Posted Jan 12, 2016 16:13 UTC (Tue)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Jan 13, 2016 0:19 UTC (Wed)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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On really cheap consumer routers of 2000-era vintage (typically running a repurposed RTOS, not Linux), that means no IP options, no TCP options (see also the fate of ECN). You're stuck with UDP encaps, and start to look a lot like Teredo.
Plus, of course, you face the same long term issue that Teredo and 6to4 would have faced if they'd taken off - the goal of this transition is to get rid of IPv4 completely, because the Internet has more hosts than it can fit into 2**32 addresses. Somehow, you need to migrate to a point where users who once had IPv4 are not privileged over users who were never able to get IPv4, and where users who never had IPv4 (and thus can't tunnel inside IPv4) are first-class citizens on the net.
Posted Jan 15, 2016 13:32 UTC (Fri)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Jan 15, 2016 13:37 UTC (Fri)
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Posted Jan 13, 2016 0:39 UTC (Wed)
by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
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IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)
IPv6 celebrates its 20th birthday by reaching 10 percent deployment (Ars Technica)