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Firefox 40 is available

Mozilla has released Firefox 40. There are several new features listed in the release notes such as; improved scrolling, graphics, and video playback performance with off main thread compositing, added protection against unwanted software downloads, a new style for add-on manager based on the in-content preferences style, and an improved graphic blocklist mechanism.

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Firefox 40 is available

Posted Aug 11, 2015 20:23 UTC (Tue) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (15 responses)

I'm curious as to why Linux got OMTC this late compared to the other supported platforms. Chromium did a similar thing with GPU blacklists a few years back, but they didn't make it quite as impossible for the user to override.

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Posted Aug 11, 2015 21:20 UTC (Tue) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link] (14 responses)

Because there aren't many users on Linux so it's lower priority.

It's been easy to enable OMTC via about:config for a long time, though.

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Posted Aug 11, 2015 21:34 UTC (Tue) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (4 responses)

Allegedly, yes. Following all the instructions around the web only gets me as far as enabling "basic" mode, which hasn't made the slightest difference. My desktop still has jerky sub-60fps scrolling and browsing on my netbook is still an affair of "load tab, go do something in another window for a minute while it's frozen".

Maybe 40.0 will miraculously fix this state of affairs, but I'll have to wait for my distro repos to catch up to see.

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Posted Aug 11, 2015 23:48 UTC (Tue) by xorbe (guest, #3165) [Link]

Yeah, even Firefox in Windows in VirtualBox on Linux is faster than native FF on Linux!

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Posted Aug 12, 2015 19:24 UTC (Wed) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link] (1 responses)

I suggest trying Nightly. We just switched it to GTK3, it has OMTC by default, and we're getting good positive feedback.

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Posted Aug 13, 2015 23:40 UTC (Thu) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

In that case, I'd better hold off until the stable release and start looking for replacements to my GTK+2 themes in the meantime...

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Posted Aug 14, 2015 13:55 UTC (Fri) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

> My desktop still has jerky sub-60fps scrolling and browsing on my netbook is still an affair of "load tab, go do something in another window for a minute while it's frozen".

I have that problem with Windows, except that "go do something in another window" isn't an option because it's blocked the keyboard and mouse, too ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Posted Aug 12, 2015 9:48 UTC (Wed) by cyperpunks (subscriber, #39406) [Link] (8 responses)

> Because there aren't many users on Linux so it's lower priority.

Linux on desktop is very, very tiny, it's < 1% for the market.

Which is no surprise of course, breaking desktop enviroments completely and changing
core utils non-stop is Linux distributions main cause to live...

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Posted Aug 12, 2015 15:51 UTC (Wed) by sorokin (guest, #88478) [Link] (4 responses)

I would argue that intentional breakages are quite rare. The most common breakages in my experience are unintended and they are simple bugs, that could be caught if more rigorous testing were applied.

I wonder how much time of people are wasted on debugging and pinpointing bugs of unfamiliar software. Developers who are familiar with code can do this much more efficient.

I do agree that this instability hinders Linux adoption in a long run. Windows has many drawbacks, but it is tested very well, so I'm sure that if I upgrade to Windows 10, my touchpad/wifi/bluetooth will continue to work.

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Posted Aug 12, 2015 15:59 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link] (3 responses)

Heh. Windows Updates, on my laptop, has managed to b0rk the system wireless so bad, it says that no updates have ever been applied to the machine, so there's no rollback available. And wireless doesn't work, so there's no getting new updates or old drivers anyways. Happens with the internal one (Intel iwl6xxx something) and a dongle (some rtl chip, which I have a CD for, so I can keep restoring a working driver for that one at least, but the internal one has been non-working since the first "update" of the driver).

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Posted Aug 13, 2015 11:25 UTC (Thu) by sorokin (guest, #88478) [Link] (2 responses)

I don't claim that windows have no bugs. What I claim is that windows receives much better testing.

Many programs on Linux don't have automatic tests at all. Many programs on Linux don't do any fuzz testing. Many programs on Linux don't even work under valgrind/asan flawlessly. Many programs on Linux are written ignoring all industry best practices.

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Posted Aug 13, 2015 12:31 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (1 responses)

Proper QA and "industry best practices" cost a considerable amount of money (on an ongoing basis) to implement.

Windows has a very large, well-funded QA team, and plenty of bugs still make it through.

If you want to improve the situation on Linux, I suggest you contribute your time and/or money to make it better.

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Posted Aug 14, 2015 11:39 UTC (Fri) by sorokin (guest, #88478) [Link]

> Proper QA and "industry best practices" cost a considerable amount of money (on an ongoing basis) to implement.

I completely agree. Another reason I believe is that "programming is fun, testing is not".

> If you want to improve the situation on Linux, I suggest you contribute your time and/or money to make it better.

I try to do this. But in some areas I don't have enough expertise and troubleshooting takes a lot of time. Sometimes I regret about time wasted on debugging someone else's bugs.

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Posted Aug 15, 2015 5:41 UTC (Sat) by ploxiln (subscriber, #58395) [Link] (2 responses)

That's a bit exaggerated. "core utils" are very stable. What changes most often is the the "desktop services" stuff, like hal/upower/consolekit/policykit/logind. I'm not really a fan of that stuff and I'm rather lost when it comes to it. The graphics drivers situation also affects applications a fair bit. They might run into the fact that opengl stuff running on a composited desktop is flaky, but that's not really because any api changed, it's just because of unfortunately complicated hardware without huge amounts of support from the vendor on this platform. As for desktop environments, and those mentioned services, applications don't really have to care if they don't want to, the application windows will appear all the same.

GTK+3 is the new thing, but GTK+2 apps still work (but try adding in opengl and compositing and maybe it's more flaky). GTK+3 was famous for breaking themes with every release, and non-gnome desktops on occasion, but not applications, that ABI stayed stable.

If you're not trying to add genuinely new functionality (to keep with the times I suppose), like new graphics acceleration techniques, linux has been stable. If you are trying to add these things, you're running into the tradeoffs of using a system with much less money spent by vendors on drivers. Those windows and mac graphics driver teams are huge... which isn't to say, "it's everyone else's fault", but rather that I think the limitations are understandable, and you have to take them into account when deciding what to use.

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Posted Aug 15, 2015 5:42 UTC (Sat) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (1 responses)

> That's a bit exaggerated. "core utils" are very stable.

they were pre-systemd, now????

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Posted Aug 16, 2015 4:14 UTC (Sun) by zlynx (guest, #2285) [Link]

rpm -ql coreutils

I'm looking but I don't see how systemd changes anything in there.


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