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[Posted July 15, 2015 by ris]

The project is targeted mainly at our ability to build Fedora from scratch, so that an introduction of new architectures is easier and shorter. However, it has more goals than that. We'd like to see it to become a cure for all bootstrap related issues you can imagine.

-- Jaromir Capik introduces the Fedora Bootstrap Project

Wait, did you catch that in the last paragraph? Cinnamon 2.6 has a new feature that addresses a longtime complaint from users. In fact, there are quite a few new features that can be traced right back to user-submitted bugs and feature requests, which is another thing that feels increasingly rare in Linux desktops.

-- Scott Gilbertson by way of Ars Technica

I do understand where you're coming from: the Fedora workflow is quite complicated and learning it sometimes feels like drinking from a firehose. Moreover, the setup evolves and sometimes one ends up drinking from the wrong firehose :).

-- Przemek Klosowski

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Posted Jul 16, 2015 0:49 UTC (Thu) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link] (4 responses)

While I'm impressed with Cinnamon providing an alternate UI for users who want it, I'm not impressed by this kind of holier-than-thou posturing. I like that GNOME and KDE folks seem to get along quite well and collaborate on technologies to make Free Software desktops better across the board, no matter what you run.

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Posted Jul 16, 2015 16:26 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (3 responses)

Are you saying holier-than-thou posturing is an attitude of the Ars article, or of the Cinnamon project?

Either way, could you offer examples? I haven't seen it myself.

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Posted Jul 16, 2015 18:16 UTC (Thu) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link] (2 responses)

I'm talking about the direct quote here.

The article acts like "paper cut" fixes are a special effort by Cinnamon to address user issues, but GNOME and other projects specifically work on paper cuts as well. Random example: GNOME's new notification mechanism, eliminating the notification area at the bottom in favor of integrating notifications with the top-center clock/calendar.

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Posted Jul 16, 2015 23:02 UTC (Thu) by dashesy (guest, #74652) [Link] (1 responses)

I think the attitudes matter, the feeling I get from Cinnamon (in their issue tracker) is warm and welcome. Users take into account how different projects react to user complaints, and not just the outcome. Early reactions to "I do want my workflow to look like OSX", was to suggest using the classic mode but not get comfy because it would be deprecated. Yes later the classic mode stayed (and evolved) but the early impression was not warm.

I appreciate the work other desktops (and all good open source projects like GNOME) do and after all Cinnamon relies on those technologies too, just wanted to share my own experience.

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Posted Jul 19, 2015 11:55 UTC (Sun) by ms_43 (subscriber, #99293) [Link]

I get the impression you are confusing GNOME 3 Fallback mode with GNOME 3 Classic mode.

Fallback mode was not using gnome-shell but instead components from the GNOME 2 stack, such as gnome-panel; it was always considered a temporary stop gap that went away with GNOME 3.8.

https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFix...

GNOME 3 Classic was introduced with GNOME 3.8 and is just an extension for gnome-shell, so can be supported without much effort for a longer time.