This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 18, 2015 15:46 UTC (Thu) by peter-b (guest, #66996)
In reply to: This model of containerization is a grand error by ksandstr
Parent article: Systemd and containers

Poettering doesn't contain a "ö".

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 18, 2015 18:07 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (5 responses)

It's a shibboleth to mark anti-Lennart fanbois.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 19, 2015 0:59 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link] (4 responses)

You are right, its a dog whistle to make your feelings clear to like minded people and the practice of giving nicknames can be a way to assert dominance over someone by controlling something so fundamental as the persons name.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 19, 2015 8:52 UTC (Fri) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (2 responses)

I think that in order to “assert dominance” over Lennart Poettering you would have to do a bit more than mis-spell his name.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 19, 2015 17:13 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link] (1 responses)

It usually isn't effective in creating submissiveness on the person its being said to, it's more about the ego of the person doing the saying, demonstrating that what they say is under their own control and they can be rude with little consequence. That is something which can puff up a weak ego, if only slightly.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 14:48 UTC (Sat) by ksandstr (guest, #60862) [Link]

How about instead of this generally passive-aggressive mumbling, you say how you really feel? You could even go as far as to refute my points directly.

Failing that, you could niggle at my insubtle hypothesis that eventually Pöttering will full-bodily enter his own fundament and thereby vanish. Or you could take issue with the hyperbole referencing Brave New World, a book concerning dystopian conformity; or the company store, a symbol of dire working-class exploitation in pre-New Deal America. Certainly there are individual phrases or words that could similarly serve as points of deflection, such as the millennia-old "foo must be destroyed" statement of creed[0], or my framing the putative motives of systemd "fanbois"[1] as motivated by fashions (i.e. positive peer pressure) alone.

That's assuming that the capacity for such refutation and/or secondary niggling beyond a variant spelling exists, that is.

Until then, I wish you a good day.

[0] entirely pre-empting the "dog whistle" shibboleth argument, in case this went by under the radar
[1] that's class right thur

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jun 21, 2015 11:22 UTC (Sun) by misc (subscriber, #73730) [Link]

I agree with your point, I would go as far as saying that it can extend to more than persons ( example, a company in Seattle ).
Or do we just personify the said companies and therefore treat then as people, still not sure on that one.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 14:26 UTC (Sat) by ksandstr (guest, #60862) [Link] (6 responses)

But it does. In German the umlaut is regularly transcribed as an "oe" (or "ae" for ä). To contrast, in Swedish an "ö" would be ASCIIfied by stripping the diacritic altogether, which is common in e.g. E-mail. I'm using the non-canonical spelling because my keyboard has that letter, because "oe"'s pronounciation is that of "ö", and to avoid bolstering the marketing effect of someone's name starting with "poet"-- because who knows, perhaps Americans are genuinely that dumb. On the other hand Pöttering's first name is already a term of abuse, so there's good reason to avoid that as well (beyond unwarranted familiarity).

As for these other pop-psychology Internet shrink hypotheses about "asserting dominance", piffle! We are not cats and dogs.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 14:39 UTC (Sat) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (1 responses)

Lennart Poettering is not from Germany.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 15:17 UTC (Sat) by ksandstr (guest, #60862) [Link]

Quoth the Wikipedia:

Lennart Poettering (born October 15, 1980) is a German computer free software programmer [...]

Whatever your implied argument on his current nationality, the origins of his name are German, from which its spelling and pronounciation follow. That is the point under argument.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 19:47 UTC (Sat) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link] (3 responses)

> But it does.

No. Lennart never spells it with 'ö' which makes it wrong. I'm sure my last name had an umlaut at some point too, but I'd still spell it 'oe' anyways today. It isn't used as such in any official documentation or by me, so it is wrong to use it. That is the case here too (AFAIK).

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 4, 2015 23:46 UTC (Sat) by ksandstr (guest, #60862) [Link] (2 responses)

>No. Lennart never spells it with 'ö' which makes it wrong.

Interestingly the Wikipedia article on German orthography agrees with this reading. It appears you'll have to read it as a disrespectful stab up 'til now, and that I'll be avoiding the name altogether in the future. Call it going from petulance to erasure.

Who'd've thunk German was without consistent transcription rules.

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 5, 2015 3:39 UTC (Sun) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link]

Oh, for pity sake! I loathe the guy, but this is ridiculous. Names are arbitrary tags. Etymology doesn't matter - it's not as if they had any meaning other than identifying the object they apply to. He gets to choose the orthography; insisting upon a different spelling simply demonstrates that the person insisting is a pretentious wanker.

*plonk*

This model of containerization is a grand error

Posted Jul 5, 2015 14:23 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

Who'd've thunk German was without consistent transcription rules.

What, like English?

In German you can generally spell “ö” as “oe” if you don't have umlauts. But that doesn't mean every “oe” you encounter was originally an “ö”, or that you are always free to do the reverse replacement, especially in the names of people or places. For example, you would never get away with “Göthe” in place of “Goethe” (Germany's most famous poet) outside of the realm of lowbrow comedy. Transcription rules don't really enter into this.