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You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Opensource.com covers an effort, initiated by Open Forum Europe (OFE), to help the European Union (EU) institutions live up to their commitments to support open document formats when communicating with the public. "Inspired by the pothole identification and alert site and app, fixmystreet.com, OFE, through its fixmydocuments.eu, is giving a crowd-sourced voice to public frustration with software interoperability limitations that stand in the way of citizens who are seeking to communicate and interact with government. It should be noted, however, this is more than a vehicle through which to vent. Many parts of the EU are legitimately working hard to implement ODF, the open document format for office applications. Fixmydocuments.eu will help them better identify software and documents that are presenting the most pressing and immediate problems. As an added benefit, it should not go unnoticed that more fully deploying ODF and other open standards will help the EU avoid vendor lock-in."

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You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 5, 2015 11:23 UTC (Thu) by zoobab (guest, #9945) [Link] (5 responses)

XML is not for humans. Why the EU needs to communicate with its citizens with PDFs and DOCs? Why it cannot do it via simple web pages or simple text files?

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 5, 2015 13:40 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Neither simple web pages nor simple text files are sufficient to express all forms of text-like content in a pleasantly readable manner.

PDFs are useful

Posted Feb 5, 2015 13:42 UTC (Thu) by lgeorget (guest, #99972) [Link] (2 responses)

> Why the EU needs to communicate with its citizens with PDFs and DOCs? Why it cannot do it via simple web pages or simple text files?

Auto-completed PDFs are useful. You can have them auto-completed like web forms. If you want to save an offline copy, it's easier than with webpages (and you have only one file to save, no CSS and JavaScript). And if you need to print them, they look exactly the same as on-screen.

PDFs are useful

Posted Feb 6, 2015 6:10 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

Assuming the printers want to work with you rather than against you that day.

PDFs are useful

Posted Feb 6, 2015 11:25 UTC (Fri) by mina86 (guest, #68442) [Link]

> and you have only one file to save, no CSS and JavaScript
MHTML is a single file.

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 5, 2015 19:25 UTC (Thu) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

>Why it cannot do it via simple web pages or simple text files?

Having (attempted to) read the parsing algorithm section of the HTML spec myself, you only really offer one choice there — and not everyone owns a colour teletext decoder these days.

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 16, 2015 19:55 UTC (Mon) by chojrak11 (guest, #52056) [Link] (5 responses)

Isn't there more important stuff to fight for in EU? Every operating system is able to read OpenOffice, MS Office, PDF and tons of other document formats anyway. What's the real goal here?

The only effect of such campaign is that in the future, when there will be really essential matter to raise for, nobody will be interested to hear you and will say "hey, those kids that don't like DOC files are fighting again. It must be something equally important.".

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 17, 2015 2:09 UTC (Tue) by ghane (guest, #1805) [Link]

> Isn't there more important stuff to fight for in EU? Every operating system is able to read OpenOffice, MS Office, PDF and tons of other document formats anyway. What's the real goal here?

+1. Of course, the EU is not scarce on resources, so working on this will not impact its pursuit of Google for showing photos of me I prefer forgotten, or the Greek bailout, or ... .

> The only effect of such campaign is that in the future, when there will be really essential matter to raise for, nobody will be interested to hear you and will say "hey, those kids that don't like DOC files are fighting again. It must be something equally important.".

Seriously, I see this happening. I suppose this is a matter or principle, none of us is free in any way till the corner case is solved, no matter how corner or unlikely _that_ problem is. But some of us would like progress on what we can achieve now, and then fight for tomorrow.

Information does not want to be free, Information wants to lie back and bit-rot.

In jest, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 17, 2015 10:29 UTC (Tue) by lgeorget (guest, #99972) [Link] (3 responses)

> Every operating system is able to read OpenOffice, MS Office, PDF and tons of other document formats anyway.

Although I can open MS Office documents using LibreOffice, they don't always display correctly. And editing and saving them back to MS Office format (using LibreOffice) can make them unusable by the person who sent them to me in the first place. Try putting a table in a docx file with a little fancy formatting for instance and see the difference between the original file and the file opened in LibreOffice and saved back to MS Office format.

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 17, 2015 18:49 UTC (Tue) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (2 responses)

doing a round trip from one version of MS Office to another and back will cause strange things to happen. Hardly a stable format.

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 17, 2015 21:46 UTC (Tue) by Jonno (subscriber, #49613) [Link] (1 responses)

> doing a round trip from one version of MS Office to another and back will cause strange things to happen.

That is definitely a real problem, once it was bad enough that I failed a uni course thanks to it:

For a pair-work we were told to hand in the final report as a .doc file, but since neither of us had a Windows computer (I used Linux, she used Mac) and 16 out of 18 uni computer labs we had access to ran Sun Solaris with Star Office, we asked to hand in an sxw or pdf instead, but got told to use one of the two over-booked Windows labs at night instead...

We weren't happy about it, but didn't think making a point was important enough to fail a class for (even though faculty rules did prohibit courses from requiring the use any particular software without booking sufficient time in a computer lab providing it), so we ended up spending a night in the Windows lab to prepare the report.

However, it turned but her computer didn't have the same MS Office version as the computer lab, so we got a failing grade, with a note that the document was incomprehensible and that we should have used the Windows lab as she suggested. I got quite mad when I got that note, and sent her a very impolite email telling her that we had done that, and that she should have use it for grading us too! I also attached a new .doc file I had round-tripped through OpenOffice.org (as well as a pdf export from OpenOffice.org), and when she finally approved it a few weeks later she noted that the new .doc file I emailed her looked correct on her computer.

Since then I tend to make a ha-ha-only-serious joke that OpenOffice has better MS Word compatibility than MS Word...

You can now petition the European Union to 'fix my document' (Opensource.com)

Posted Feb 19, 2015 0:49 UTC (Thu) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

> Since then I tend to make a ha-ha-only-serious joke that OpenOffice has better MS Word compatibility than MS Word...

http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows

> Why would we want to get Wine running in Windows? Newer versions of Windows fail to support old applications that are still supported by Wine. So Wine for Windows would supply useful backward compatibility for users.


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