Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 10, 2014 11:45 UTC (Wed) by fandom (subscriber, #4028)
In reply to: Fedora 21 released by johannbg
Parent article: Fedora 21 released

"The fact is community maintained components and products have *always* been put into second class compared to Red Hat's own components and products in Fedora"

As a KDE user since it was in beta, my reaction to this is: so what?

This is free software, people, and corporations, focus on whatever it is they want to focus.

The same way I get to choose which projects I contribute to and what I want to do about it, including abandoning them, Red Hat, has every right to focus on whatever they want.

You think they are wrong? Well, so what? It is their inalienable right to be wrong.

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 10, 2014 18:07 UTC (Wed) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (6 responses)

Red Hat can focus on whatever they want to focus on and that's exactly what they do however when they deliberately misuse contributors time and treating them like second class citizen when doing so under alleged "community sponsored" flag things change.

Heck it even has it's employees annually sign a pledge not doing so [¹] which contains among other things...

"Code of Business Conduct and Ethics"

Page 3

"Participation in an open source project, whether maintained by the Company or by another commercial or non-commercial entity or organization , does not constitute a conflict of interest even where such participant makes a determination in the interest of the project that is adverse to the Company's interests."

Which is nothing but a load of crap since their employees aren't following it ( classic case of great on paper crap on field ) so please don't condone or sugar code that corporate pile of crap that falls from that ivory tower there in phoenix and taste the pile of corporate shit for what it really is.

1. http://investors.redhat.com/corporate-governance.cfm

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 10, 2014 18:22 UTC (Wed) by peter-b (guest, #66996) [Link] (2 responses)

> Which is nothing but a load of crap since their employees aren't following it ( classic case of great on paper crap on field ) so please don't condone or sugar code that corporate pile of crap that falls from that ivory tower there in phoenix and taste the pile of corporate shit for what it really is.

Please moderate your scatological references.

I know you have a grievance, but you fill every LWN discussion even tangentially related to Red Hat with foaming-at-the-mouth rage-fueled flaming. It's got to the point now where most people who haven't killfiled you consider you to be a crazy person, which is a shame because when you're not posting about Red Hat you seem to have something useful to contribute. Your current approach isn't actually achieving anything other than to make yourself look bad. Could you possibly try and find an alternative way of persuading people to take your concerns seriously?

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 10, 2014 23:24 UTC (Wed) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link] (1 responses)

I'm just returning Red Hat the favour. I was not always like this in fact I was just like many looked up to Red Hat however I became this way after what 8 years or so contributing to Fedora and dealing with it and their employees so in a sense my behaviour is product of their own creation anyways which alternative way might that be?

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 11, 2014 18:49 UTC (Thu) by sjj (guest, #2020) [Link]

Look, Red Hat doesn't care if you're returning the favor or whatever. You're only hurting yourself holding onto that anger. Why let "them" define who you are now?

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 10, 2014 23:53 UTC (Wed) by fandom (subscriber, #4028) [Link] (1 responses)

How can they possibly not follow that qoute of their code of conduct?

That qoute doesn't really say anything, it is literally impossible not to follow it.

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 11, 2014 1:29 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

AFAICS, it explicitly allows certain activities (working on "outside" open source, deciding against Red Hat's wishes/interests in the course of work on open source that Red Hat happens to ship) that would get you fired almost automatically elsewhere. Interesting twist to exhibit this as an example of the Big Bad Red Hat Conspiracy...

Fedora 21 released

Posted Dec 11, 2014 9:13 UTC (Thu) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link]

> "Participation in an open source project, whether maintained by the
> Company or by another commercial or non-commercial entity or organization
> , does not constitute a conflict of interest even where such participant
> makes a determination in the interest of the project that is adverse to
> the Company's interests."

I'm fairly sure a lot of people within Red Hat could be fired if it wasn't for this provision. (Not that they _would_ be fired, but they certainly could). Just as a stupid example, see Ubuntu Core advertised on the QEMU advent calendar (http://www.qemu-advent-calendar.org/#day-9).

It was a very nice surprise to read it when they hired me and I had to read and sign the code of conduct.