The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 29, 2014 13:18 UTC (Sat) by hubcapsc (subscriber, #98078)
In reply to: The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd by janpla
Parent article: The "Devuan" Debian fork

* Perhaps those of you with more insight could take my ignorance as a
* challenge and englighten me?

It is different. After we get used to it, it will probably be
fine, maybe even awesome.

Last Monday was the start of a seemingly quiet week for me, so
I finally took my new desktop out of its box, hooked it all together,
and installed Fedora 20 on it. While trying to figure out why it
was acting weird (probably something related to the Nouveau
nvidia driver) I found that I could no longer
tail -f /var/log/messages and needed to go learn how to use
something called journalctl... I didn't want to learn something
new, I wanted my computer to turn on <g>...

Change is sometimes annoying, but is the way of the world...

-Mike

The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 29, 2014 13:49 UTC (Sat) by misc (subscriber, #73730) [Link] (3 responses)

It should be noted that this is a fedora change, and this can be changed with a simple yum install. Others distributions can and do make differents choices regarding journald default configuration, and Centos7 for example still have a more traditional setup out of the box.

Also, what you are looking for is "journalctl -f", I guess.

The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 29, 2014 14:20 UTC (Sat) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link] (2 responses)

> Also, what you are looking for is "journalctl -f", I guess.

I'd say "journalctl -fa" is a better answer. Using just "journalctl -f" truncates log lines to fit the screen; "journalctl -fa" displays them untruncated and without filtering unprintable characters, just like "tail -f" would do.

The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 30, 2014 18:51 UTC (Sun) by njs (subscriber, #40338) [Link] (1 responses)

They switched that default some time ago -- lines are now only truncated to fit the screen if you pass "--no-full". There is some more lenient truncation that's still applied (to fields that "contain unprintable characters or are very long", according to the man page); using "-a" disables this lenient truncation. So you can probably get away without using "-a" most of the time.

The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 30, 2014 21:06 UTC (Sun) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]

> They switched that default some time ago -- lines are now only truncated to fit the screen if you pass "--no-full".

Awesome! That doesn't seem to be the case on this Fedora 20, however... <checks git> Yup, v209, Fedora 20 seems to be using v208.