The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
Posted Nov 14, 2014 21:29 UTC (Fri) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)In reply to: The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate by mgb
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Systemd is not portable to other OSs so it loses synergy.
In the realm of init systems there seems to be little demand for synergy. Every single Unix derivative is doing its own thing these days. It would be nice – from an abstract POV – to have something that is usable on several platforms but the interest doesn't really seem to be there among the people who are really doing the work and making the decisions. This is not a systemd-only phenomenon.
Making it harder for you and me to innovate is very bad.
You're still at liberty to innovate all you want. Feel free to come up with something that is notably better than systemd. People will love you for that kind of innovation.
Your problem, though, mgb, is that you don't actually innovate like the systemd people do. You don't have it in you. There is no way in hell that you could make something that ends up only half as good or as popular as systemd, even if your life depended on it. So instead you spend your time dissing the actual innovations of people whose discarded printouts you're not worthy to carry to the wastepaper bin. Disagree? Prove me wrong. Write something new that other people will want to use, and that two years from now will be part of all mainstream Linux distributions. Then you get to moan about how terrible systemd is for innovation, and maybe somebody will take you seriously.
Posted Nov 14, 2014 21:54 UTC (Fri)
by mgb (guest, #3226)
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Given the advances in software engineering in the last forty years, one would have to try really hard to design a plumbing layer as harmful as systemd.
Posted Nov 14, 2014 23:12 UTC (Fri)
by pizza (subscriber, #46)
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Please enlighten us with an example of "a modern component architecture".
Heck, while you're at it, I'd love to see an example of an actual "component architecture" *designed in the 70s*.
Posted Nov 14, 2014 23:26 UTC (Fri)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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a modern component architecture would be web services or RESTful interfaces where you define the API but the implementations are independent of each other.
a "throwback to the 70's" would be window's all-in-one where you have lots of separate components, but they all have to be exactly the same version and there are no alternatives to any of the components.
Now, I think the 70's is probably a bit early, but the 80's or early 90's seems very appropriate.
As a somewhat relevant side note, there's a reason that the respected standards bodies require multiple independent implementations of something before they consider it for a standard
Posted Nov 15, 2014 5:46 UTC (Sat)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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> As a somewhat relevant side note, there's a reason that the respected standards bodies require multiple independent implementations of something before they consider it for a standard
Posted Nov 15, 2014 5:52 UTC (Sat)
by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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Ooh, nice. Linky please? :)
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by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
And that perfectly describes DBUS.
And DBUS has multiple independent implementations. I have my own small version in pure Rust, for example.
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
MikeeUSA is a notorious and blatant troll, and I wouldn't take any of his positions except the whole "fulminating misogynistic racism" bit as being sincerely held.
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate
The Grumpy Editor's guide to surviving the systemd debate