The Debian init system general resolution returns

Posted Nov 2, 2014 15:13 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: The Debian init system general resolution returns by Cyberax
Parent article: The Debian init system general resolution returns

>> Generally speaking, a lot of people actually liked to UNIX way of things, of interchangeable components with all its advantages and disadvantages.

> The old UNIX way with one big server, one graybeard lording his power over tons of small users is dead for good. And it turns out that the old UNIX way of doing things doesn't really cut it with the current reality.

There's not much of an actual argument in that non sequitur. Interchangeable components and 'one greybeard lording his power over tons of small users' are not related: indeed, most modern Unix systems, whether using systemd or not, are single-user or even less-than-one user.

Moving to a single-user system does not seem to me to necessarily require the introduction of tight coupling at this level: your assertion that it not only does but that they are *identical problems* such that arguing against the one naturally implies that you're arguing against the other is extremely bad reasoning.

The Debian init system general resolution returns

Posted Nov 2, 2014 16:15 UTC (Sun) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

I thought that the point of that comment is that modern unix systems don't have dedicated teams of experienced administrators who build and maintain a completely customized userspace environment, so that giving administrators a random grab bag of utilities and asking them to assemble a userspace themselves is not a desirable feature anymore, having that stuff taken care of and standardized by the distro, and now standardized across distros, freeing up admins to worry about higher-level problems, is the unix systems we have today.