Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 20, 2014 14:52 UTC (Mon) by johannbg (guest, #65743)
In reply to: Irrationality at it's best by josh
Parent article: The Debian init system general resolution returns

As far as I can tell commenting is not limited to subscribers either which arguably it should be.

Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 20, 2014 15:03 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link] (4 responses)

Ah, but everyone knows that only supporters can write good comments!

There is a ton of insightful guest comments here, so banning them is counter-productive. However, banning all the systemd-related threads might make sense. The SNR has become way too low in these threads.

Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 20, 2014 15:10 UTC (Mon) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link]

Less about keeping the comments down more about having those comments of questionable quality, support the site so we can get good article in exchange of having to read all those.

Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 22, 2014 19:48 UTC (Wed) by Kamilion (guest, #42576) [Link] (2 responses)

Personally, I've been running statistics in my head whenever one of these 'RAWR' topics come up; and to be honest, LWN is where I come to view generally courteous digressions on a particular poster's opinions and experiences. Often I get wonderfully pertinent data on a wide range of topics (see the 'filesystem geek' above outlining his experiences with btrfs -- mine differ!) that I care about.

I don't have much money, but I do keep my LWN subscription running to pick up some of the most meaningful insight into the linux world and it's players.

So far, I think Raven667 summed it up best with:
"If things were as bad as the detractors say it would have been obvious for a long time and they wouldn't be talking about 'potential' problems, there would be a long line of angry pitchfork wielding sysadmins."

So far most of what I've heard has been grunts of indifference, a couple 'oh thank god I can finally kill that horrible initscript hack', and only one outright dismissal of systemd from a hardcore gentoo'er I know.

But hey, I helped out Gerard Beekmans and Jessie Tie-Ten-Quee with the getting the first copies of Linux from Scratch out the door -- I understand my system enough to know why things are. I understand others may not necessarily have that clarity, nor do I fault them for not wishing to develop it. Humans are by nature self-specializing, after all.

Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 23, 2014 21:13 UTC (Thu) by cdmiller (guest, #2813) [Link] (1 responses)

Well, there was an interesting systemd discussion on the LOPSA freenode channel last week with some views from sysadmins. A systemd developer there was initially pretty defensive towards any criticism.

Around here a few consternations expressed by sysadmins are the implementation of the binary log (corruption handling, reinvention of the wheel), lack of log shipping (yay let's run 2 loggers now), and a perception of "crazy feature creep" (one current joke/betting pool is when windows-registryd will appear).

In the server realm a couple precepts are stability generally trumps features and "sudden or quick" forklift changes to services are to be avoided if possible. If or when systemd becomes a problem or too much of a pain point our sysadmins will eventually route around it is the sysadmin feedback I receive at present.

Irrationality at it's best

Posted Oct 23, 2014 22:19 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link]

Sysadmins on these parts like it anyway everybody is just waiting for General Resolution: init system coupling [1] voting so DD needs to just get this over with and move on.

1. https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003