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Microformats turn 9 years old

Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 21, 2014 0:09 UTC (Sat) by kenmoffat (subscriber, #4807)
Parent article: Microformats turn 9 years old

OK, I'll bite - why should anyone here care ?

It appears to be something for marketing.


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Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 21, 2014 0:47 UTC (Sat) by jd (guest, #26381) [Link] (6 responses)

Microformats and RDF (RDFa or any other form) are a way to describe data in ways useful to a computer.

For example, tagging articles with key words so that they can be sorted or selected would be an example of how this sort of stuff is done in practice.

Or you could use it to produce customizable web pages. You know that a user has to have a certain set of features in a template and that the same feature can't be implemented in two different ways. Not an issue. SPARQL, the semantic web's version of SQL, can give you the options and enforce the constraints.

Maybe you want better cross-referencing in a wiki. Specify in SPARQL how to identify relationships of interest.

I like RDFa and tools like Protege for defining content association because it has oomph. I dislike microformats because it gets really, really ugly when you want to use server-side if/then/else logic. However, they all have value.

And none of it is in marketing. Marketing hates the Semantic Web because it's transparent to users (so there's no metric you can use to prove its value) and allows any external user to add their own value to the site (which puts marketing's jobs at risk).

Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 21, 2014 4:04 UTC (Sat) by b7j0c (guest, #27559) [Link] (5 responses)

you couldn't fill a bus with the people who actually apply any of that stuff to information architecture, it was a pipe dream that died with SOAP/WSDL and the other early attempts to over-engineer hyperlinked data.

go look at sites with high pagerank. none of them use sematic web tech

Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 21, 2014 8:09 UTC (Sat) by jd (guest, #26381) [Link]

The problem is is that your bus is too big. You're right, there's no way that I could possibly fill it on my own. :)

Seriously, Associated Press and a few other news distributors mandate the use of microfotmats to correctly attribute articles. Equally seriously, I don't know of any website that does this. I installed such a system for a newspaper I worked for for a while, but last I looked, they'd ripped out everything I'd worked on.

BBC Sports were supposed to use RDFa, not sure how they got on with it.

Not sure it's a totally dead idea, it's only just become part of the mainstream Apache architecture. Having said that, with no Freshmeat/Freecode any more (boooooo!!!), nobody will know the facility exists. In that case, I guess it is more-or-less dead.

Pity. I liked the idea that dynamic content could generate other dynamic content. It makes a useful "See Also" so much easier to implement.

Someday, on my tombstone, there will be the words "...and he still hadn't finished that SPARQL query he promised me..."

Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 23, 2014 19:21 UTC (Mon) by justincormack (subscriber, #70439) [Link] (3 responses)

Wikipedia does, and it has high pagerank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Micro...

Microformats turn 9 years old

Posted Jun 24, 2014 16:28 UTC (Tue) by b7j0c (guest, #27559) [Link] (2 responses)

wikipedia is HARDCODED into every search engine on the planet

ORLY?

Posted Jul 4, 2014 9:39 UTC (Fri) by alex (subscriber, #1355) [Link] (1 responses)

is it really or just heavily linked to.

ORLY?

Posted Jul 4, 2014 10:59 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

It's a bit of both. I know couple of guys who are doing fine-tuning of Google ranging algorythms and they use popular sites like Wikipedia as a yardstick: if some change kicks out really popular sites like Wikipedia or CNN out from the list of results then they double-check everything (and sometimes tweak the algorithm to exclude some “signals”). This obviously introduces bias but it's not exactly puts Wikipedia into the results as a hardcoded entry.


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