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Debian TC vote on init system coupling

Debian TC vote on init system coupling

Posted Feb 24, 2014 20:00 UTC (Mon) by fandingo (guest, #67019)
In reply to: Debian TC vote on init system coupling by anselm
Parent article: Debian TC vote on init system coupling

I agree, but here's some additional specificity:

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-l...

> systemd-logind is a system service that manages user logins. It is responsible for:

> 1. Keeping track of users and sessions, their processes and their idle state

> 2. Providing PolicyKit-based access for users to operations such as system shutdown or sleep

> 3. Implementing a shutdown/sleep inhibition logic for applications

> 4. Handling of power/sleep hardware keys

> 5. Multi-seat management

> 6. Session switch management

> 7. Device access management for users

> 8. Automatic spawning of text logins (gettys) on virtual console activation and user runtime directory management

It seems quite easy to make basically a "no-op" DBus interface to fake logind. #1 is only minimally necessary, although I can't say how much is actually needed and the complexity. #2 is simple enough to invoke a SUID binary for the underlying scripts, although security leaves something to be desired. #3 is completely optional. #4 could be handled through Gnome by configuring custom keyboard shortcut commands (sprinkle in SUID as necessary). #5 and #6 can be ignored. #7 should be simple. Since there's no multi-seat, it's easy to run a udev script for changing owner/group of the devices and sending a DBus signal to Gnome of the hotplug event. #8 can be ignored in favor of fixed gettys. Runtime directories should be kept and could likely be managed by a Gnome startup script (or if necessary something inserted earlier in the login sequence).

There's no doubt that it will be messy and half-baked (especially as I've described it), but I think it could mostly work. Whether anyone would want to run or enjoying running it is another matter.


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Debian TC vote on init system coupling

Posted Feb 24, 2014 20:16 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

Whether anyone would want to run or enjoying running it is another matter.

Yes, but that isn't the point. The point would be to achieve Debian policy compliance and make Ian Jackson happy. With proper documentation of the limitations of the gnome-compatibility-logind package it will probably be possible to avoid having any of those limitations look like RC bugs.

It is fairly safe to say that given a choice of a smooth GNOME user experience based on systemd and a clunky GNOME user experience based on »System V init or OpenRC plus essential-compatibility extras«, most GNOME users will be more interested in the former. If anyone doesn't like this, let them come up with a better non-systemd logind for GNOME; it is not the Debian GNOME maintainers' (or upstream GNOME's) job to ensure that the Debian non-systemd GNOME experience is 100% identical to the Debian GNOME experience based on systemd.


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