Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 14, 2014 16:34 UTC (Fri) by rvfh (guest, #31018)
In reply to: Shuttleworth: Losing graciously by Siosm
Parent article: Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

> Thus the next Ubuntu LTS is already doomed, before being released, as it will have completely unsupported software.

You lost me. LTS releases are supported by Ubuntu for five years.
See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS for details.

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 14, 2014 16:53 UTC (Fri) by Siosm (subscriber, #86882) [Link] (5 responses)

They'll use logind without systemd, which not supported upstream, and they'll mostly be the only distribution using it. For five years. This is quite the challenge, like what they're already doing for compiz which is not maintained anymore.

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 14, 2014 17:01 UTC (Fri) by palmer_eldritch (guest, #95160) [Link]

Seeing the debates on the debian-ctte mailing list, it seems likely that logind without systemd will also be used in Jessie to support alternative init systems.

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 14, 2014 18:49 UTC (Fri) by ewan (guest, #5533) [Link] (3 responses)

As Mark points out, upstart is used as the init in RHEL6, which will be supported by Red Hat until 2020, over a year after Ubuntu 14.04 'LTS' is expected to be EOLed by Canonical.

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 14, 2014 22:34 UTC (Fri) by Siosm (subscriber, #86882) [Link] (2 responses)

> As Mark points out, upstart is used as the init in RHEL6

As much as Mark likes to point out, I'm afraid upstart is not "used" in RHEL 6 as much as he'd like it to be. Sure, it is the default init, but NONE of it's core features beyond SysVinit support are used in RHEL 6. So really, the belief that upstart is "used" by RHEL 6 is just wishful thinking.

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 15, 2014 20:01 UTC (Sat) by mdeslaur (subscriber, #55004) [Link] (1 responses)

There are a few native jobs in RHEL6. What core features aren't being used?

Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Posted Feb 16, 2014 3:48 UTC (Sun) by Siosm (subscriber, #86882) [Link]

> There are a few native jobs in RHEL6. What core features aren't being used?

You nailed it: there are almost no native upstart jobs in RHEL6 (tty, graphical login manager, control-alt-delete handler and that's mostly it). Thus everything is just plain init scripts. Therefore the dependency feature is not used, nor is the event feature, nor is the job lifecycle feature...

Upstart is just an intermediary to launch a massive SysVinit-like script which does all the work: /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit.

So again, no, upstart is not "used" in RHEL 6.