Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 14, 2014 16:40 UTC (Fri) by mbt (guest, #81044)
In reply to: Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully by pranith
Parent article: Shuttleworth: Losing graciously

Splintering the landscape? The landscape is already splintered, and it will continue to be.

Systemd was available as an option in Debian, and the vote was to make it now the default init system. I think it is *completely* and *abolutely* inconceivable that systemd will now become the only available init system in Debian. They are going to have to continue to support other init systems, especially since they have tons of clients who manage high-traffic production servers and can't afford to make the sudden shift of init systems.

The Shuttleworth article does not even state unequivocally that they are discontinuing Upstart development.

Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 14, 2014 17:28 UTC (Fri) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link] (3 responses)

Debian has a high attention to detail. If you have some really important production server, then why trust a distribution upgrade, but not the init system change?!? I assume you'd test in any case.

I love that Debian will have systemd as default because they focus on stability so much. You'll know pretty much all the smallest corner cases will be covered.

Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 14, 2014 18:22 UTC (Fri) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (2 responses)

It's taken Redhat a long time to migrate over. Changing the init means a lot of changes in lots of other places.

It's perfectly reasonable to expect that Jessie will just use mostly systemd's compatibility features before Debian makes the full change over.

However from a stability standpoint.. having Debian fracture their resources to support multiple inits is certainly a step in the wrong direction.

Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 14, 2014 20:44 UTC (Fri) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] (1 responses)

Red Hat didn't take a long time to migrate, it just took a long time for the next release to roll along. Fedora took somewhat more than six months to migrate, mostly because of missing documentation the first time around.

Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 15, 2014 11:10 UTC (Sat) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

> it just took a long time for the next release to roll along.

This is how Redhat did it's migrating. Put it in Fedora and eventually let that become the init for the next major release.

The upside to all of this is that Debian can benefit from the maturity of the software now.

Shuttleworth: Losing gracefully

Posted Feb 14, 2014 18:57 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

Let's face it, with upstart's years-old serious bugs that require a major rewrite to fix properly, Upstart development is already discontinued.

So this was the only sensible decision. Nevertheless, I have to admit that I didn't expect it. At all. Much less that quickly.