Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 13, 2014 1:33 UTC (Thu) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
In reply to: Of course this goes to a General Resolution by dlang
Parent article: The Debian technical committee vote concludes

> He has the right to his opinion, but him pushing for all distros to use systemd means that the mantra "just change what distro you use if you don't like systemd" is a false one.

Just what are you talking about? How is he pushing anybody? How are those systemd proponents you're talking about applying any pressure? What means do they even have? The only thing that Poettering does to make people use systemd rather than the alternatives is to make sure it works better than they do. This isn't called “pressure” or “pushing”, it's called “doing a great job”.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 13, 2014 13:01 UTC (Thu) by Zack (guest, #37335) [Link] (1 responses)

> How are those systemd proponents you're talking about applying any pressure?

Hounding everyone who doesn't agree a 100% with them whenever the subject comes up ?

> What means do they even have?

Apparently an infinite amount of time and a frightening amount of zeal.

> The only thing that Poettering does to make people use systemd rather than the alternatives is to make sure it works better than they do.

Alternatively, maybe systemd just convinced some that it works better by specifically catering to their needs. Then these "some"--comfortable in their majority--are so convinced they're on the side of righteousness and that they're part of the "one true way" forward that they will gladly and incessantly confront any undesirables with their erroneous ways and deviant thinking.

In short: systemd does nothing for me technically, and socially its track record is a trainwreck. I don't want to go near systemd for the same reason I don't want to go near OpenBSD; the development culture is just so different from what I'm used to that I want to stay as far away from it as possible. Now if only systemd would extend the same courtesy towards me, but apparently that's not a possibility; optional compliance doesn't seem to be on the roadmap forward.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 13, 2014 13:52 UTC (Thu) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

Sorry, you anti-systemd trolls just keep repeating the same lies over and over and over again. Systemd isn't being forced on anybody, because the systemd supporters don't have any means to do that. And these...
> Apparently an infinite amount of time and a frightening amount of zeal.
...aren't means to force anybody to do anything. Maybe to annoy them on the internet, but then it's really simple to avoid that: just stay out of the discussion entirely. I certainly wouldn't be writing this if you hadn't spread false accusations and lies about systemd and its developers and supporters.

In fact, it's the other way around: it's people like *you* who would like to force people like the gnome and Debian developers to continue to maintain and support software stacks that they themselves consider obsolete. Luckily, just like the systemd developers, you don't have any means to do that.