Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 2:06 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313)
In reply to: Of course this goes to a General Resolution by vonbrand
Parent article: The Debian technical committee vote concludes

I'm pretty sure that I say this in his G+ posts, but I don't bookmark such things just in case someone asks for a reference sometime in the future.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 2:32 UTC (Wed) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] (4 responses)

So this is just another myth. Just as I thought.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 2:37 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (3 responses)

more insults, why am I not surprised.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 2:42 UTC (Wed) by rodgerd (guest, #58896) [Link] (2 responses)

You have a very broad definition of insults when pointing out that you've failed to substantiate a personal attack with evidence counts as an insult.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 2:56 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (1 responses)

Where did I make a personal attack? saying that LP has called distros that won't switch to systemd responsible for fragmenting linux could be mistaken, but it's hardly a personal attack.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 9:28 UTC (Wed) by xav (guest, #18536) [Link]

The lack of "-1 Troll, -1 Flamebait" in the LWN 'forum' starts to be painful.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 3:02 UTC (Wed) by hadrons123 (guest, #72126) [Link] (4 responses)

If you want to accuse someone you better have some evidence. Since its G+, I guess it would not be hard to search either.

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Posted Feb 12, 2014 3:27 UTC (Wed) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link] (3 responses)

Not hard, but not trivial.

I found

https://lwn.net/Articles/534443/

Which is dlang making a similar statement about a year ago but with specific reference to Ubuntu, and

https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-lennart-p...

which contains

> However, one of our other goals was to unify the fragmented Linux landscape, reducing the various lower-level differences between the distributions, and I guess we only partially succeeded with that. We did not convince the Ubuntu folks that systemd and unification was a worthy goal, and we certainly have to take (at least partial) blame for that.

which relates fairly well to the earlier statement by dlang (less well to the recent one).

So it seems that Lennart certainly did connect the ideas of not using systemd with fragmenting the Linux landscape (or at least: not unifying it). This example isn't exactly an accusation though. Maybe my google-fu isn't up to finding the actual accusation.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 3:42 UTC (Wed) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

I'm sorry, but "we hope to reduce fragmentation" sounds far from accusing others of actively fragmenting Linux. Lennart might be quite abrasive at times, highly convinced that he is right (and for the fury of his opponents, he has the nerve to be right most of the time), absolutely opposed to compromising what he works on, but not trying to force anybody. Besides, it is free software. Don't like it? Fork it, write your own, or use something else.

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 12, 2014 19:18 UTC (Wed) by suy (guest, #81959) [Link]

The quote says "WE certainly have to take (at least partial) blame". How that is an accusation?

Of course this goes to a General Resolution

Posted Feb 14, 2014 11:32 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

> So it seems that Lennart certainly did connect the ideas of not using systemd with fragmenting the Linux landscape (or at least: not unifying it)

Precisely -- "not unifying" is the keyword here. Who the hell needs three different locations for startup scripts, with different boilerplate function libraries, support like start-stop-daemon present or not; multiple possible locations for /etc/hostname, let alone how to set it without rebooting …

… I'd have to agree with Lennart that there are better (and more productive) ways for Linux distributions to be distinctive than how to do things like that.