Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Posted Jan 6, 2014 16:05 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)In reply to: Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion by niner
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Yep. They run on the same kernel, use the same display server, they can run side-by-side.
As a user, I'd expect them to interoperate.
> You are using the original definition for Linux and expect to get the same as with the modern definition. You can't. If you want to compare software at the same level, you have to take Gnome/Linux, KDE/Linux, Unity/Linux and whatever else there is.
Yeah, it reminds me of the good old joke the describes the Linux desktop situation pretty succinctly:
> I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
>"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
> I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
> He said, "Like what?"
> I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
> He said, "Religious."
> I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?"
> He said, "Christian."
> I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"
> He said, "Protestant."
> I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"
> He said, "Baptist!"
> I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?"
> He said, "Baptist church of god!"
> I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?"
> He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!"
> I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?"
> He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"
> I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
Posted Jan 6, 2014 17:27 UTC (Mon)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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> As a user, I'd expect them to interoperate.
define "interoperate"
if you install two different windows apps, they will both run on windows, but the chances of them being able to use each other's data is low. It's only if they are interacting with remote services (such as LDAP/AD)
Even for something like picture managers, they may import pictures from the "My Pictures" directory, but they will each store their own metadata, edits, and everything else in incompatible ways.
Posted Jan 6, 2014 17:46 UTC (Mon)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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I can't install a weather tray application from GNOME2 on GNOME3 Fallback mode. I can't install GNOME2 tray application on Xfce, and though they even both use GTK!
THIS is fragmentation. It's unnecessary, divisive and ultimately self-destructive.
Posted Jan 6, 2014 18:03 UTC (Mon)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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So if you can't do this with Xfce it sounds like Xfce needs to update their system tray to support the freedesktop.org standard that has been worked out.
Now, this standard did not always exist, and at one time every window manager did their own thing, but then they started to coordinate and established a standard.
Posted Jan 6, 2014 18:14 UTC (Mon)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Jan 6, 2014 18:20 UTC (Mon)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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Power management is one of the areas where there is a lot of work going on, which translates into lots of experimentation and incompatibility.
Try some other applets.
As a Kubuntu user, I've run into quite a few cases where I end up running a Gnome applet in the systemtray.
Posted Jan 6, 2014 18:33 UTC (Mon)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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I couldn't make the applet to start without it trying to start the GNOME panel.
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
