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Posted Dec 31, 2013 16:25 UTC (Tue) by ThinkRob (guest, #64513)In reply to: unhelpful comments by HelloWorld
Parent article: Positions forming in the Debian init system discussion
I don't think it's *that* silly of a theory, actually.
systemd started as an init system.
But in the last couple years it's also encompassed a *ton* of other areas of low-level Linux functionality.
Maybe that was the plan from the beginning, I don't know. But it certainly wasn't obvious to a lot of people if that was the case -- and to these people it seems like the plan is for systemd to become crucial to everything and everyone in the Linux community.
I guess the question on these people's minds is: where does it end?
It's no big secret that an integrated, monolithic stack can deliver better results than a stack designed to let every single piece be swapped out. But I suppose some people see that line of thinking and wonder "Well, gee, maybe someone will decide to make the basic shell utilities depend on systemd too so they can get better results. And maybe $my_de_of_choice will become dependent on it too, since it'll produce better results. And surely my web browser could be more secure if it used systemd..." etc.
Basically, some people are worried about a future where systemd/Linux is the One True OS which open source software supports, and anyone not using it is left out.
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I happen to be a cathedral person myself, so I'm all for systemd taking over tons of low-level functionality in the Linux world. But then again, I prefer FreeBSD, so the idea of a kernel/userland stack being developed together isn't that scary to me. :D
Posted Dec 31, 2013 18:06 UTC (Tue)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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> But in the last couple years it's also encompassed a *ton* of other areas of low-level Linux functionality.
Posted Dec 31, 2013 21:00 UTC (Tue)
by ThinkRob (guest, #64513)
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I suspect that the people who are concerned about this are similar to those who are concerned about Secure Boot on x86.
They're not worried about the status quo. They're worried about what happens when "optional" becomes "required".
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It is.
Yes, and the vast majority of that is optional and can be disabled with a configure switch, or installed separately, or just turned off. There is *no* way a mandatory dependency on systemd-binfmt could be justified, and tzafrir didn't even try to. It's thus perfectly obvious that he only came up with that silly theory because my argument is impossible to disprove otherwise given the status quo. Conjecturing about what might happen is a classic FUD tactic.
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