Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 11:57 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227)
In reply to: Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities by mgraesslin
Parent article: Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Well, look for yourself: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=kdelibs-da...

Yes, kdelibs5-data reached 40,000 once... for a month. Then returned to about 30,000 where it stays since.

> We can now also think about how relevant the data is, if the maximum is just 40k.

Popcon was opt-in, AFAIK, so it's only representative of people willing to share their configuration. Still...

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 13:21 UTC (Wed) by lynxlynxlynx (guest, #90121) [Link] (1 responses)

This is all assuming there was the same amount of submissions each month. Whatever that trend is, it should be removed before we can get good results out of the graph.

Very odd to have such a short and large spike there.

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 15:52 UTC (Wed) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link]

The spike is due to an unfortunate accident involving a Ubuntu developer, a keyboard and a network connection (no kidding).

The % is the % of active submitter (active: last submission is less than 20 days old). Feel free to use the site to generate better graphs.

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 14:49 UTC (Wed) by Del- (guest, #72641) [Link] (3 responses)

> Yes, kdelibs5-data reached 40,000 once... for a month. Then returned to about 30,000 where it stays since.

There is something strange with these numbers. Where did all the users go? They did not go to XFCE, Gnome or LXDE. Seems like they went headless mode. This basically suggests that popcon numbers are not suited for tracking desktop users. I am one of the Debian KDE users that do not submit data to popcon.

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 17:38 UTC (Wed) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

>They did not go to XFCE, Gnome or LXDE.
At least I did a couple of years ago.

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 6, 2013 19:10 UTC (Wed) by alejandronova (guest, #93813) [Link] (1 responses)

I know where those users did go: they escaped from Debian, and I am one of them. Debian used to have a pretty good KDE packaging team back in the KDE 3.5.x days, but today, Sid stays at 4.8, and the only way to install KDE 4.11 is resorting to experimental. You can live safely with Sid, but experimental is a totally diferent matter, and, since you have to mix repositories and remember lots of package exclusions and repository pinnings, a proper KDE install in Debian is painful beyond anything acceptable. So, I settled on Fedora, and haven't touched Debian since the KDE 3.5.x days.

Seigo: on introducing new ideas to free software communities

Posted Nov 7, 2013 8:10 UTC (Thu) by Del- (guest, #72641) [Link]

> I know where those users did go: they escaped from Debian

That makes sense. I am one of those who spent years on Kubuntu. On my way back home now though.

> Sid stays at 4.8

Not anymore, both Sid and testing have been at 4.10.5 for some weeks now. Only grievance I have is that some idiots convinced Debian that KDE was bloated, so I had a non-functional desktop after first install due to lax dependencies. Installing the kde-full package solved everything.