Slackware 14.1 beta
Hey folks, I'm calling this a beta! Really, it's been better than beta quality for a while. There will probably still be a few more updates here and there (and certainly updates to the docs). Enjoy, and please test."
Posted Sep 19, 2013 6:11 UTC (Thu)
by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742)
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Posted Sep 19, 2013 9:47 UTC (Thu)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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Posted Sep 19, 2013 16:23 UTC (Thu)
by BradReed (subscriber, #5917)
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Slackware is rock-solid and just works. Those that use it are perfectly content to live without pulse-audio, pam, gnome, systemd, and the rest of the bloat.
Posted Sep 19, 2013 17:01 UTC (Thu)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Posted Sep 19, 2013 21:13 UTC (Thu)
by gus3 (guest, #61103)
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Brad Reed called it right.
Posted Sep 21, 2013 12:35 UTC (Sat)
by VITTUIX-MAN (guest, #82895)
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Posted Sep 19, 2013 20:37 UTC (Thu)
by Arker (guest, #14205)
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Posted Sep 20, 2013 9:08 UTC (Fri)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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Posted Sep 20, 2013 12:21 UTC (Fri)
by Arker (guest, #14205)
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What I would say is I have used Linux on and off since '94. I started with Slackware, I have probably tried every major distro at one point or another, and have used several minor ones as well, but I have always wound up coming back to Slack it seems. Slackware gives me slack. I regularly hear all these complaints from users of other systems, for instance, about conflicts where their package manager simply wont let them install a particular combination of applications because of some dependency hell. Never happens on slackware. Patrick solved that whole problem before it began by refusing to cave to the fashion of the day and impose an overgrown package management system. Package management in Slackware just works. Other distros I cannot say the same for.
Installing software from source just works too. Definitely hearing all the time from users of other distros that this is problematic for them. Lots of stuff like that. Basic stuff like that should always work, and with slack it does. A system that makes sense and works correctly saves me time, and lets me have a life. That's why it's called slack.
I think Patrick's design philosophy is superior, and that's what's allowed him to continue to deliver a superior product all these years. That's my opinion. Why dont you give slack a try for a month and then tell us yours?
Posted Sep 21, 2013 11:57 UTC (Sat)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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I've NEVER had that experience with Slack. Which although I prefer gentoo, it's why it sits in my toolkit - if a gentoo upgrade borks (rare) Slack will save the day.
Cheers,
Posted Sep 20, 2013 13:07 UTC (Fri)
by oldtomas (guest, #72579)
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Do /you/ get to decide what Patrick Volkerding does with his time? Or what distro I get to install on my box?
Let's agree on one thing: I don't tell you what software you have to use and you don't tell me. Shall we?
Posted Sep 20, 2013 14:54 UTC (Fri)
by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
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Posted Sep 20, 2013 15:50 UTC (Fri)
by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
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The title you chose for this comment thread tends to convey (whether you want it to or not) the implication that the person initiating the thread believes Slackware to be a waste of time. People who give the impression that they think something is a waste of time tend to give the further impression that they think the people working on that thing should work on something else. It is unfortunate that you find this set of implicit associations surprising, but your astonishment does not alter the nature of human communication.
Posted Sep 20, 2013 22:26 UTC (Fri)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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It's unfortunate that people are so eager to take offense, inferring the worst from statements like this. I know I'm less emotional than most, but when I read "Who really cares about Slackware any longer?" I see a question, which tells me only that the author doesn't know if Slackware is a waste of time. And even if a reader assumes the worst, that it is a rhetorical question meant to make the statement that Slackware is a waste of time, it's a long jump from there to inferring that the author believes he has the power to kill Slackware. The post above answers the question, "Why have you and Patrick ignored my orders to stop building/using Slackware?", which was not asked.
Of course, I'm not saying that jump is surprising; I know people like to go behind the written word and infer an entire mental state.
Posted Sep 21, 2013 16:45 UTC (Sat)
by Arker (guest, #14205)
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Slackware users are used to getting attacked for it on public forums by fan-boys of other distros. The arguments are so tiresome.
"It works great for me, why fix what isnt broken?" vs "But! New!! Shiny!!! Why are you so stupid? New! Shiny!!"
I *like* the fact that Pat doesnt fix stuff that isnt broken. I like the fact he doesnt try to be on the leading edge of whatever is new and trendy at the moment. I like that he makes things as simple as they can be but resists the urge to make then any simpler than that, and I like that concentrates on keeping a clean and stable base system that you can build anything you want on.
But some people dont. Can we just accept that and move on?
Posted Sep 20, 2013 16:01 UTC (Fri)
by wazoox (subscriber, #69624)
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Posted Sep 21, 2013 19:27 UTC (Sat)
by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
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Posted Sep 20, 2013 17:22 UTC (Fri)
by job (guest, #670)
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Sometimes it's just a sigh of relief to come home to Slackware after battling yet another change of init, logging, network configuration or whatever the big distros did last release.
Posted Sep 20, 2013 19:18 UTC (Fri)
by busterb (guest, #560)
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That packages are just tarballs mean that everyone in my company was able to easily create and test new packages. Even hardware engineers were able to package their own tools themselves.
The degree of ABI stability with the core libraries in Slackware is pretty darn amazing. That the init system, package system, etc. haven't really changed in that time is very useful. It's like RHEL-level system stability, while you still get updated software. You can run the latest KDE, or an old copy of Window Maker.
I have not had similar luck with Ubuntu trying to pull in newer packages into older installs. There is something to be said about a system where package dependency management is optional.
That said, it does boot much more slowly than other distros due to its serial RC scripts. The networking infrastructure is especially slow when your boot is delayed by a down DHCP server, for instance.
Posted Sep 20, 2013 20:33 UTC (Fri)
by NightMonkey (subscriber, #23051)
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Posted Sep 22, 2013 2:47 UTC (Sun)
by busterb (guest, #560)
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http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware/source/l/gl...
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/...
On an 8 year old, 32-bit Slackwre system, running mostly stock except for a 64-bit 2.6.32 kernel, I was able to just upgrade glibc and everything continued working with. The upgrade went from glibc 2.3 to 2.15 in one step. One helpful difference is that Slackware glibc is still built against the 2.6.32 headers. Even gcc 4.1.2 continued functioning. Even more interestingly, the upgrade installed the 64-bit glibc on a running 32-bit system (with a 64-bit kernel of course), and the system continued working. The 64-bit Slackware glibc has the 32-bit libraries bundled in as part of the same package. Note as well that i486 is the default target still for 32-bit support.
According to the above Debian package, the minimal kernel will be 3.2, since the glibc is built against the newer one. It appears to break a number of older versions of binutils and gcc as well. Has anyone ever tried upgrading a 32-bit Debian install to 64-bit? I'd be interested to see if it can be pulled off, but I imagine at the least that dpkg would be upset.
Granted, not everyone needs an 8 year old compiler to continue working, or 486 binary compatibility, but hopefully this is a suitable comparison.
After the extensive discussions on the Chromium KDE article on LWN about binary compatibility, it would be interesting to see http://upstream-tracker.org/ available for distributions as well.
Posted Sep 23, 2013 14:27 UTC (Mon)
by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
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Using multi-arch, it can be done: <http://www.ewan.cc/?q=node/90>
Posted Sep 24, 2013 20:40 UTC (Tue)
by busterb (guest, #560)
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I'm not saying Debian multi-arch isn't good, and I love how easily it makes running stuff like ARM binaries on x86 for example. But its not the same thing as being able to migrate an old OS in one step. https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
Posted Sep 21, 2013 15:47 UTC (Sat)
by VITTUIX-MAN (guest, #82895)
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I wonder if there's any other distro that is still exclusively sticking to lilo, not that it wouldn't work like a train toilet doesn't need replacing, but, you know, UEFI.
Posted Jan 21, 2014 5:06 UTC (Tue)
by Kimdino (guest, #95067)
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After much tearing out of hair I'd thought try Slackware due to its using lilo. Lilo picked up the dual boot with no problem. On starting I installed nvidias driver without any trouble. Weeks of problems with Debian sidestepped by replacing it with Slackware. It just worked.
So PLEASE don't lose Lilo.... If something works well, why should it be replaced.
Posted Jan 21, 2014 11:42 UTC (Tue)
by johannbg (guest, #65743)
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Just look and examine what it's philosophy is.
"What is Slackware Linux?
The Official Release of Slackware Linux by Patrick Volkerding is an advanced Linux operating system, designed with the twin goals of ease of use and stability as top priorities. Including the latest popular software while retaining a sense of tradition, providing simplicity and ease of use alongside flexibility and power, Slackware brings the best of all worlds to the table."
"advanced Linux operating system"
Looking at it there is nothing advanced about it maybe I'm just not finding that advancement it's supposed to bring in the GNU/Linux ecosystem.
"ease of use"
Perhaps for command line commander but for novice end user that wants to join the community or simply download it and get started not so much.
"stability"
"Including the latest popular software"
I see absolutely no truth in this Just to get the latest Gnome running on Slackware I had to manually touch ( install rebuild etc ) 50+ components
Looking at the Slackware Philosophy
"The Slackware Philosophy
With the exception of this representing the "feel" of unix thus being the most "UNIX-like" ( whatever that's supposed to be the unix philosophy means different things to different people ) the rest of the philosophy is not being representing anymore including it's popularity.
Conclusion what Slackware claims to be it no longer is.
It might have been that in the last decade but today not so much and it seems to be aimed more at it's maintainers then it is to general end users which will indicate that it's derivatives might be struggling as well.
If the remaining Slackware community want's to keep it somewhat relevant and not simply die off as well as to be closer to it's philosophy's I suggest it joins the systemd train. introduces pulseaudio and brings itself to modern times.
Posted Jan 22, 2014 0:23 UTC (Wed)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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Posted Jan 22, 2014 0:33 UTC (Wed)
by johannbg (guest, #65743)
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Posted Jan 22, 2014 0:45 UTC (Wed)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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The number of times I've heard people say that about Slackware in impressive.
Posted Jan 22, 2014 0:48 UTC (Wed)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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The only Slackware user I know had switched to Ubuntu and then Mac OS X.
Posted Jan 22, 2014 0:58 UTC (Wed)
by johannbg (guest, #65743)
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How many are using it and contributing to it?
Would you say it's status is healthy and thriving?
Is it's usage increasing or declining ?
Posted Jan 22, 2014 1:27 UTC (Wed)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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Slackware 14.1 beta
I skipped the last release, because 13.37 was so good.
Who really cares about Slackware any longer?
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Except, I think it's a concensus that Slackware is going to eventually ship PulseAudio, that's because more and more desktop stuff has started to depend on it.
I'm also runnin PAN, because that was a dependency of xrdp, a package, that was hell to install by the way.
Who really cares about Slackware any longer?
Who really cares about Slackware any longer?
So you're saying that all other distributions just don't work? And people call me a troll?
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You mean, why Pat calls it a beta ? Because he is very conservative about quality.
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I found that Debian tried to insist I get my video driver from it own repo, rather than d/l & install from nvidia site, at the same time as it was telling me that it didn't support my card (too new to be in the Wheezy repos). I got around that but then found the multiarch got its knickers in a twist with confusion between the nvidia built libraries and its own. So installed Vector alongside for my gaming but found problems with Grub2 in setting up the dual boot into a software RAID.
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Now this is where I assume the strength in Slackware lays a bit but given that I have not run slackware for a period of time ( I just installed it and ran it to get somewhat the feel of slackware ) I cannot compare to my other.
Since its first beta release in April of 1993, the Slackware Linux Project has aimed at producing the most "UNIX-like" Linux distribution out there. Slackware complies with the published Linux standards, such as the Linux File System Standard. We have always considered simplicity and stability paramount, and as a result Slackware has become one of the most popular, stable, and friendly distributions available."
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