Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 16:19 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482)
In reply to: Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir by mjg59
Parent article: Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

You have your rights to judge Canonical. But if one have mindset like you, should she work on a project whose name is a trademark of Canonical?

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 16:33 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (9 responses)

Canonical didn't have to pass Kubuntu off to community control, but they did. As a result, there's no obligation at all for it to make the same technical decisions as the other *buntu projects.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 16:40 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482) [Link] (8 responses)

I wish they use such freedom to redirect kubuntu.org to opensuse.org

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 16:43 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (7 responses)

You're obviously hostile towards Kubuntu, but you haven't explained why.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 17:33 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482) [Link] (6 responses)

I think Kubuntu has lost its direction and passion reading recent messages from Kubuntu devs.

I'd do a flavour to uninformed end users and let the user who want KDE start with openSUSE.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 17:42 UTC (Fri) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link] (5 responses)

Honestly I think this is nonsense. I use Kubuntu on several different machines, prefer it to other KDE-based distros, and think the Kubuntu devs are doing a fine job. Perhaps you should stop bad-mouthing Kubuntu in an attempt to bolster your arguments.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:08 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482) [Link] (4 responses)

"I was very fed up with Ubuntu at the time anyway because our bug tracker once again exploded after the Ubuntu release." -- Martin

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:34 UTC (Fri) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

well, there can be two reasons for that.

1. Ubuntu is doing something wrong that breaks KDE

2. Ubuntu is doing something right and has a lot of KDE users, so when there is a Ubuntu release, a lot of people are seeing the new version of KDE for the first time, and so are seeing the bugs for the first time.

The real question isn't around the number of bugs that are reported after a Ubuntu release, but rather should be "are these bugs in KDE or Ubuntu", if they are in KDE (or Kubuntu elements that aren't Ubuntu elements), then he really should not be getting upset at Ubuntu.

If these are bugs caused by Ubuntu elements, then he may have cause to be grumpy.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:41 UTC (Fri) by mgraesslin (guest, #78959) [Link] (2 responses)

I do not know what this quote adds to the discussion, but I need to point out that I am not a Kubuntu developer and do not work on Kubuntu.

If you don't believe into my claims concerning the bugs: feel free to look into our bugtracker. The information about bugs per distribution is available. Or just look at my two Google+ postings on the topic:
* https://plus.google.com/u/0/115606635748721265446/posts/g...
* https://plus.google.com/u/0/115606635748721265446/posts/G...

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:51 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482) [Link] (1 responses)

I actually choose to trust Martin's claim about Kubuntu's quality here. But I'd like to see concrete evidence (full links) if people claim that it is due to Unity's influence.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 19:07 UTC (Fri) by mgraesslin (guest, #78959) [Link]

> if people claim that it is due to Unity's influence.
I - at least - never claimed that it is due to Unity's influence. I don't know why the stack is that shaky compared to other distributions and I don't care to be honest. All I see is that we have magnitudes more crashes in the Ubuntu (that is below the KDE/Kubuntu layer) stack than in other distributions stacks. There are many reasons for that and I discussed it at length with Kubuntu developers.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:05 UTC (Fri) by luya (subscriber, #50741) [Link] (1 responses)

With that response, you did a good favour displaying what Canonical is about, a distraction for the Linux Communication pretending to be an entity it never was, Ubuntu. I think it is time Canonical withdraws Ubuntu name because they managed to pervert it and changes to Apple wannabe.

I speak from my personal point of view which does not reflect my organization.

Riddell: Kubuntu Won't be Switching to Mir or XMir

Posted Jun 28, 2013 18:42 UTC (Fri) by maxiaojun (guest, #91482) [Link]

I have no connection with Canonical.

Ubuntu cares for end users, not the some vocal but worthless community.

If community work can be seriously trusted, why Red Hat and SUSE never ship Fedora and/or openSUSE to their paid customers?

There are good news about Linux adoption at times, didn't you notice that the distribution used are either "enterprise Linux" or localized fork of popular distro (often Ubuntu)? Have you thought about why?

There are some good communities around. One way to judge is to see whether the community maintained software support Mac OS X or Windows.