Myths not debunked but confirmed

Posted Jan 30, 2013 4:57 UTC (Wed) by k8to (guest, #15413)
In reply to: Myths not debunked but confirmed by smurf
Parent article: Poettering: The Biggest Myths

If you're a sysadmin of a monoculture, sure it will eventually be useful.

AFAICT, those people are now called "devops", and they may love it.

Myths not debunked but confirmed

Posted Jan 30, 2013 7:19 UTC (Wed) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (3 responses)

Translation: "Incremental progress is bad."

You seem not to notice that you contradict yourself.

Oh well.

Myths not debunked but confirmed

Posted Jan 30, 2013 12:16 UTC (Wed) by mgb (guest, #3226) [Link] (2 responses)

@smurf - The words which k8to wrote have no need of your "translation".

Incremental progress is good.

systemd is bad because its poor design and premature optimization create unnecessary coupling which inhibits incremental progress across a critical mass of system software.

Nevertheless it appears that the systemd problem has been solved. Fedora and Redhat and some other distros have been borged but Debian and Ubuntu and many other distros have stood firm.

FLOSS will simply evolve to leave the systemd-limited distros behind. Debian and Ubuntu and other distros will offer parallel boot options and cgroups options to their users without compromising FLOSS evolution.

Myths not debunked but confirmed

Posted Jan 30, 2013 13:28 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

FLOSS will simply evolve to leave the systemd-limited distros behind.

I think that, given time, the problem will take care of itself since nobody will be able to come up with anything that is both enough of a significant improvement on System V init to get System V init anywhere near what systemd does even today, compatible with tradition enough so the die-hard System V init fans won't complain, and gets traction in enough distributions so people will actually be interested. (The ones which have subscribed to systemd already aren't going back unless whatever the System V init camp has to propose is really a lot better than systemd, which would be quite surprising.) This is very unlikely to actually happen since historically the distributions didn't even seem to be able to agree on a standard for init scripts, let alone all of System V init or indeed an evolutionarily improved System V init.

In the meantime, systemd will improve even further and, with the major Linux distributions behind it, will become even more compelling. In effect, System V init will leave systemd behind in exactly the way that CVS left Git behind.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Myths not debunked but confirmed

Posted Jan 30, 2013 14:47 UTC (Wed) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Somehow, "FLOSS will simply evolve to leave the systemd-limited distros behind." makes me think "What, like XFree86 evolved to leave the X.org-limited distros behind?"