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The GNOME project at 15

The GNOME project at 15

Posted Aug 16, 2012 1:24 UTC (Thu) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
In reply to: The GNOME project at 15 by hp
Parent article: The GNOME project at 15

> Sometimes, software should not have been changed. It's not better enough.

> If there was some reason to change, the developer is in a tricky spot. They have to figure out how to satisfy both the reason for the change, and patch up the pain of the change. This is often genuinely hard.

Example: using 3D rendering. Hardware is already there, which can do a better job of it, relieve the CPU, lower the power consumption etc. So, changing the system to be able to take advantage of it is a good thing (while not breaking the system for setups that don't have 3D rendering). Full marks.

Example: overview. Gnome is primarily a desktop system, not a smartphone or a tablet system. Inventing philosophical reasons along the lines of "minimising distraction" (as if panel autohide didn't already exist and as if notifications could not be turned off) is an example of a change just for the sake of it. Because it was fashionable to do it. In the process, the visibility of the whole desktop was completely lost, GUI/mouse actions became more complicated, windows could not be properly minimised and users are now constantly exposed to completely unnecessary animations. It was not hard to figure out at all that there was zero need for this change on the desktop. Thumbs down.

Example: overview v. fallback mode. Depending on your hardware, Gnome 3 acts in surprisingly and almost entirely different ways. There is no functional reason for this (the main reason is overuse of animation). Both 3D and 2D versions could have been made to look more alike. Thumbs down.

Example: Nautilus type-ahead removal. A great example of a change without justification. Users tell developers that they use and like type-ahead, which is substantially different from search. Developers reply with: "it's gone anyway", because search is better (but it's actually quite something else). Thumbs down.

And so on and so forth.

If developers cannot come up with a genuine functional improvement as a result of a change, they should not be engaging in it.


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The GNOME project at 15

Posted Aug 16, 2012 2:12 UTC (Thu) by hp (guest, #5220) [Link] (3 responses)

> If developers cannot come up with a genuine functional improvement as a
> result of a change, they should not be engaging in it.

Nobody changes things just for kicks. Truly.

There isn't some moment where people say "OK, I can't come up with any reason this is an improvement, but I'll do it anyway."

The GNOME project at 15

Posted Aug 16, 2012 2:16 UTC (Thu) by hp (guest, #5220) [Link] (2 responses)

Maybe it was my fault for saying "Sometimes, software should not have been changed. It's not better enough."

What I mean is with 20/20 hindsight, in retrospect sometimes it should not have been changed. i.e. people make mistakes.

The GNOME project at 15

Posted Aug 16, 2012 23:47 UTC (Thu) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] (1 responses)

As I said in some other posts, I think Gnome 3 can actually be fixed rather easily. The Cinnamon effort proves this quite neatly (unfortunately, it also creates even more desktop fragmentation).

The GNOME project at 15

Posted Aug 17, 2012 12:40 UTC (Fri) by codewiz (subscriber, #63050) [Link]

> As I said in some other posts, I think Gnome 3 can actually be fixed
> rather easily. The Cinnamon effort proves this quite neatly
> (unfortunately, it also creates even more desktop fragmentation).

I agree. I tried Cinnamon a while ago and I liked the concept, but I found it still a little rough.

Like Unity, Cinnamon probably had to patch the GNOME libraries or live with APIs designed exclusively for Gnome Shell. In recent times, multiple GNOME developers have advocated for tighter end-to-end integration across the software stack, which sounds like a polite way to say that they won't take patches from other GNOME-based desktops unless they benefit Gnome Shell directly.

The situation for distributors is less than ideal: they're being forced to either carry forked versions of upstream libraries, or ship Gnome Shell only.

(disclaimer: the above is based on what packagers are saying in multiple forums, I haven't looked at the patches in question).


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