Fire those idiots

Posted Jul 28, 2012 9:02 UTC (Sat) by slashdot (guest, #22014)
Parent article: Otte: staring into the abyss

Why doesn't Red Hat management step in and fire all GNOME maintainers?

I mean, look at the recent Nautilus changes: they removed one of THREE folder view modes, when Windows has 8, and they REMOVED the FOLDER TREE VIEW that has been standard in all file managers in the last 20 years (seriously, this is NOT a joke, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676897).

It's clear that the people in charge are terminal idiots, and probably clinically insane and suffering from some strange sexual fetish for removing features.

So, Red Hat needs to fire all or almost all the GNOME maintainers they employ as soon as possible, before they do further damage, and replace them with people who are intelligent and care about the user/customer.

If any other company is employing any of them, they should of course do the same.

Fire those idiots

Posted Jul 28, 2012 9:25 UTC (Sat) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]

BTW, the two guys responsible for removing the tree view are William Jon McCann, and Cosimo Cecchi, both described as being "part of the Red Hat desktop team".

They did this insane change while ignoring the negative feedback that everyone else of course provided in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676897

Start firing those two, and maybe the manager who failed to fire them before.

I'm pretty sure other people more familiar with GNOME than me can produce other names of people that need to be made unable to do further harm ASAP.

Otte: staring into the abyss

Posted Jul 28, 2012 9:34 UTC (Sat) by obrakmann (subscriber, #38108) [Link] (2 responses)

Dude, what's with the insults? Tone down your language! It's not the first time you have to be told either, IIRC. This isn't /., we're trying to be civilized here at LWN.

FWIW, I actually agree that the sidebar tree view is pretty much redundant. The tree view is already built in to the list view. Which is an awesome feature btw. It's exactly what I want when I'm working on a project. I can have a single window showing all files relevant to that project, even if I have them filed away neatly in subdirectories.

Otte: staring into the abyss

Posted Jul 28, 2012 13:16 UTC (Sat) by pataphysician (guest, #73773) [Link] (1 responses)

I agree with OP, many of the changes are insane

That list view does tree as well, does not make side panel tree redundant, unless you are so narrow minded that you can only see your own work preferences.

List view is very verbose, so you can't see large numbers of files at once. Many people work with Tree side panel, and compact view. List view with tree is most definitely not a substitute for this, unless you think lots of extra paging through crap is good, which seems to be the new design goal of gnome.

Otte: staring into the abyss

Posted Jul 28, 2012 13:36 UTC (Sat) by obrakmann (subscriber, #38108) [Link]

And again with the personal attacks and foul language.

I see you're rather new here, let me introduce you to my killfile: *plonk*

Fire those idiots

Posted Jul 28, 2012 14:11 UTC (Sat) by augustl (guest, #75060) [Link] (1 responses)

I remember Joel Spolsky talking about features in what I think was an early episode of the Stack Overflow podcast. He said that one of the hardest problem to solve when creating a product is to include all the features that people want, and still make the product elegant and easy to use. That's much much harder to accomplish than what most teams seems to do: remove features that relatively few users want. When you remove features, it's obviously easier to make it look elegant and approachable.

Fire those idiots

Posted Jul 29, 2012 18:11 UTC (Sun) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link]

What a good way to express it. In my humble experience it is very, very hard to put in everything that users want to do, and still make it simple to use. All UI elements must be exactly there when users need them, and disappear when they don't. How do you do it? You iterate the interface as many times as needed, you don't remove things. Despite the unnecessary inflammatory tone of slashdot, he or she is right.

Imagine going to an airplane pilot and telling them that you are going to take away all the useless dials and instead use one joystick to point the plane and a single slider to tell them how healthy the plane is. Well, my desktop is my cockpit.