OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 28, 2012 0:44 UTC (Sat) by lordsutch (guest, #53)
Parent article: OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Alas some areas of the map are pretty hard-hit. Slowly but surely we're working on remapping and/or cleanly-importing the worst of it (and you can help ;-).

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 28, 2012 8:28 UTC (Sat) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link] (11 responses)

You can help OSM to heal this self-inflicted wound by remapping areas that were already done, or you can instead use fosm.org, which will stay with CC and so is not deleting any contributions.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 28, 2012 13:09 UTC (Sat) by giggls (subscriber, #48434) [Link]

A long time experience I made with forks in the free Software world is that the project with the most active community tends to survive. Free Software forks work, when a project goes closed source for some reason, but this is not the case here.

Besides the fact that I prefer ODBL over CC-by-SA for a couple of reasons (e.g. Mixing free for non-commercial use data like cgiar SRTM with osm for tile production will now be possible) I think flosm.org is doomed to fail.
Certainly not because of licence terms but because OSM is where the people are.

The impact of the licence has not been that bad as I suspected anyway.

Here is the a short blog article I wrote while looking at the aerea I live after the redaction bot came by:
http://blog.gegg.us/2012/07/my-subjective-perception-of-t...

Sven

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 28, 2012 16:55 UTC (Sat) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link] (9 responses)

"this self-inflicted wound"

It's only self inflicted in the way an appendectomy is.

"or you can instead use fosm.org, which will stay with CC and so is not deleting any contributions."

..though it is run by a bunch of clowns and malcontents and is a great way of sending your contributions down a dead end.

I feel it's important to add that warning.

If people just want the old data, the old planet files are still up and always will be.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 29, 2012 14:44 UTC (Sun) by macc (guest, #510) [Link] (8 responses)

appendectomy ?

Pft!

More like gauging out your other perfectly good "blue" eye because it has a pigmentation fault.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 29, 2012 15:28 UTC (Sun) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link] (7 responses)

Yeah.

Thing is, the whole sticking-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-screaming-"the-license-is-ok-as-it-is-the-license-is-ok-as-it-is" approach doesn't tend to work in court.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 29, 2012 19:43 UTC (Sun) by macc (guest, #510) [Link] (4 responses)

MY thumbs are much too thick to stick them in my ears ;-)

Destructively removing voluntary work is the worst thing
a project like this can selfafflict unto itself.

Compare to the DE wikipedia relevance nazis.
( people that have a live just don't add/edit anymore )

This will cost dearly, imho.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 30, 2012 9:03 UTC (Mon) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link] (3 responses)

"Destructively removing voluntary work is the worst thing a project like this can selfafflict unto itself."

By this logic we shouldn't remove contributions where people have blatantly traced from google aerial view.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 30, 2012 9:58 UTC (Mon) by macc (guest, #510) [Link] (2 responses)

You are using too much emo words for my taste.

You are in it here for winning an argument
and not for a beneficial discussion.

Good Bye.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 31, 2012 8:52 UTC (Tue) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link]

I can't see a single "emo word" in what I said.

cf. "can selfafflict unto itself".

Good bye.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 31, 2012 20:59 UTC (Tue) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link]

"You are in it here for winning an argument and not for a beneficial discussion."

Oh and no, I'm not really interested in discussion. There have been 5 years of discussion. I've been there since day one. I have heard an awful lot of nonsense in those 5 years, and a lot of people seem to just want to discuss things into the sunset.

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Jul 29, 2012 21:37 UTC (Sun) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link] (1 responses)

How about waiting a while for CC-BY-SA-4?

OpenStreetMap bot removes waypoints after licensing change (The H)

Posted Aug 2, 2012 22:14 UTC (Thu) by ElCapitano (guest, #86078) [Link]

CC licenses are going in exactly the wrong direction for OSM. CC's declared intent is that its Share-Alike clause will tend to the maximalist (see point 3). That is diametrically opposed to ODbL's Produced Work clause.