Oracle takes aim at CentOS
CentOS is the most popular of the free RHEL clones; it is widely offered to customers by hosting providers. It has become the default option for anybody wanting to run a RHEL-like system without actually paying for it. There can be no doubt that some sites would decide to pop for a real RHEL subscription if a system like CentOS were not available. At the same time, there must certainly be a steady stream of customers who started with CentOS, only to decide that Red Hat's support would be a worthwhile upgrade.
Oracle clearly has its eyes on that stream of customers. The plan seems to be to make it easy for CentOS users to switch a running system over to Oracle's distribution. And easy it is, if Oracle's instructions are to be believed; one need only download a shell script from Oracle's server and feed it, unread, to a root shell. The script will tweak some repository pointers and install a few packages, but it leaves most of the existing CentOS (or Scientific Linux) system as-is until the next update.
Why would CentOS users, who are benefiting from the efforts of a free software project, want to switch to Oracle's offering? Oracle is clearly trying to take advantage of the security update difficulties experienced by CentOS in 2011. The page reads:
Things have improved in the CentOS camp since the 2011 difficulties. The project has changed its workflow and found the sponsorship to hire a couple of developers; the recent CentOS 6.3 release surprised almost everybody with its promptness. But CentOS remains a project with limited resources and a lot of tedious work to do; it's always possible that things could fall behind again. CentOS users who were left without security updates in 2011—at least, those who are concerned about the security of their systems—cannot entirely eliminate that fear from the backs of their minds, even if things look better now.
So it is possible that Oracle is on to something here. Some CentOS users may well jump at the chance to switch to a free RHEL clone with big-company support behind it. And, when some of those users decide that paid support is worth their while, Oracle will naturally be the first provider to come to mind. This little initiative might well translate into some extra revenue for Oracle.
Of course, there could be some costs. The CentOS project is unlikely to be strengthened by having some of its users defect to Oracle. In the worst (presumably unlikely) case, CentOS could be fundamentally damaged if vast numbers of users were to vote with their feet and leave. That would leave the community with one less free enterprise distribution project. There have been a lot of complaints that CentOS is far from a truly open, community-oriented project. But anybody concerned about those issues is unlikely to find Oracle's distribution more to their liking. Oracle does make some good contributions, but community-oriented development is not, in general, among the company's greatest strengths.
Also worth keeping in mind is the fact that Oracle is making no promises that it will provide this free service for any period of time. If this effort fails to provide the desired financial results, Oracle could pull the plug on it at any time—as it did with OpenSolaris. That would leave ex-CentOS users with the choice of somehow migrating back to CentOS (assuming CentOS is still there and healthy) or becoming paid Oracle customers in a hurry. One could argue that any free (beer) distribution poses such a hazard, but a corporate-controlled distribution can only be doubly hazardous.
So this initiative by Oracle looks like it could be either a positive or a
negative thing. It could increase the choices for users looking for a
well-supported, highly stable, free-of-charge distribution and increase
competition in the enterprise distribution space in general. Or it could
just be a cynical attempt by a large corporation to profit from a free
software project's success and deprive its main competitor of a potential
revenue stream. Enterprise distribution users will have to make their own
choice as to where their best interests lie.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 3:14 UTC (Thu)
by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 5:48 UTC (Thu)
by jamesmorris (subscriber, #82698)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 12:07 UTC (Thu)
by ras (subscriber, #33059)
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Look, I thought it was obvious, but ... open source isn't about money, and in particular isn't about "free" as it was used above. It's about trust. It is about everybody trusting to contribute to a shared commons.
You can not pull stunts like Oracle did with Open Office, or the events that ended up with the Apache Foundation resigning from the JCP Executive Committee, or Oracle suing Google over software patents, or even Oracle insisting API's are copyrighted and keep that trust thing. After all we have an understanding that no one involved in open source sues each over patents (hint: it's written into the GPLv3 and the EPL), and the commercial GPL ecosystem are built on the fact that you can't copyright API's, just the code you link to.
We know what built our movement. It wasn't money. It's not even about money. We are happy with the likes of RedHat, Ubuntu and Crossover charging us to for their products. It's about trust. And if Oracle wants to sell us open source products then that's fine, but first they have to earn our trust. Right now they seem hell bent on destroying it. Unlike Oracle we all know that once trust is lost, so is the community that is built upon it.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 12:11 UTC (Thu)
by pflugstad (subscriber, #224)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 13:40 UTC (Thu)
by gmaxwell (guest, #30048)
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If they ultimately prevailed on the copyrightability of basic APIs there would be a lot less room for competition both in the software market and in the jobs-at-companies-integrating-sofware markets.
If oracle was interested in promoting their software and services they should have started by not engaging in litigation that left them in a deep hole in the eyes of many.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 19:40 UTC (Thu)
by sailorxyz (guest, #52650)
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Oracle has totally destroyed trust and I very much doubt that it will regain it anytime soon.
Posted Jul 20, 2012 19:19 UTC (Fri)
by alan (guest, #4018)
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Posted Jul 20, 2012 20:54 UTC (Fri)
by sailorxyz (guest, #52650)
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Posted Jul 21, 2012 13:53 UTC (Sat)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Posted Jul 21, 2012 10:52 UTC (Sat)
by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
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Posted Jul 26, 2012 21:06 UTC (Thu)
by philomath (guest, #84172)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 16:11 UTC (Thu)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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So I'd say that Oracle is, in fact, good at community-oriented development, but doesn't have a tendency toward being community-oriented.
Posted Jul 20, 2012 15:20 UTC (Fri)
by matik (subscriber, #62373)
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[1] http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2011/02/where-have-bugs-gone....
Posted Jul 20, 2012 15:31 UTC (Fri)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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Posted Jul 21, 2012 21:49 UTC (Sat)
by butlerm (subscriber, #13312)
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If anyone actually manages to use it without paying Oracle for licensing and support services, that serves no real purpose to them other than as a loss leader for future paying customers. If they allow unpaid customers to get timely updates and report bugs _at all_, those are much better terms than they offer with any of their conventional products.
There is a lesson to be learned here. Commercial vendors are naturally in the business to turn a profit. If the best way they see fit to do that is to make periodic open source code dumps of a internally developed code base, or supervise a community project where they hold all the cards, vendor lock-in is nearly as likely as with any other vendor proprietary product.
Freedom to fork is nice, but forking and maintaining something as complex as a relational database server certainly isn't a proposition to be undertaken lightly, even more so when the trademark of the original is hardcoded into the ABI. If you use MySQL you are married to its future as a commercial product. Divorce is not the most practical option.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 18:48 UTC (Thu)
by fw (subscriber, #26023)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 6:02 UTC (Thu)
by ptman (subscriber, #57271)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 6:39 UTC (Thu)
by lindahl (guest, #15266)
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Late hit, 2 beer penalty. Send Larry out next time, he was really amusing with the "I like Linux because it puts more money in my pocket" speech.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 12:37 UTC (Thu)
by pboddie (guest, #50784)
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Not to mention Oracle's miserable record when it comes to supporting its own stuff. Apart from the laughable strategy of big, infrequent updates to their "unbreakable" product range which, if previous experience with Oracle's core products is anything to go by, is probably a nightmare for administrators, Oracle have been very good at talking the talk and then dropping features and whole products when it suits them. On two occasions I've been witness to Oracle functionality in their headline product going away after a while, on one occasion the functionality concerned being the main reason for a big project going with the product - probably another reason why I doubt that project ever got delivered - and I dare not think what life is like for people really spending money and using the different Oracle business applications. And we can always ask what iteration of Oracle's GNU/Linux distribution strategy this is. Really, people should be actively figuring out how to give less of their money to Oracle, not more.
Posted Jul 19, 2012 19:50 UTC (Thu)
by robfantini (guest, #22913)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 19:56 UTC (Thu)
by lindahl (guest, #15266)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 7:15 UTC (Thu)
by richard_weinberger (subscriber, #38938)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 8:32 UTC (Thu)
by nigelm (subscriber, #622)
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Posted Jul 19, 2012 18:30 UTC (Thu)
by Fats (guest, #14882)
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On a more serious note, I do think what we see here is the FOSS world slowly but steadily expanding it's area leaving the proprietary world fighting for the remaining. And the good things is that FOSS is here to stay, even the fail over or a legal unjustified halt of Red Hat would IMO not be able to stop FOSS. I am sure there will be dirty fights and tactics in the future but I don't see how that will ever stop the open source world.
greets,
Posted Jul 30, 2012 9:58 UTC (Mon)
by chojrak11 (guest, #52056)
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Oracle takes aim at CentOS
I'm obviously biased here (I work for Oracle), but I don't agree that
community-oriented development is not, in general, among the company's greatest strengths
There's an impressive list of community projects here:
https://oss.oracle.com/
and Oracle is consistently cited in LWN's kernel development reports under "Most active employers".
On that note, we are currently hiring Linux kernel developers with community experience, as well as core userland and virt developers, to work on mainline projects. Email me for details -- james.l.morris@oracle.com :-)
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Oracle's urge of imposing control also caused Hudson community to fork it as Jenkins [3]
I wonder if Oracle still has a chance to learn how to properly communicate with and benefit from the open source community.
[2] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/cpujan2...
[3] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=317610
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Times are a changing...
Staf.
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