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Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Posted May 17, 2012 14:40 UTC (Thu) by jensend (guest, #1385)
In reply to: Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon by SEJeff
Parent article: Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

No offense, but if you don't know who Rob Weir (Grand Poobah of AOO) is, your understanding of what's happened with OOo/LO/AOO is pretty seriously incomplete, and trying to get into debates with him or anyone else who's actually involved without becoming better informed first would be a waste of everyone's time.


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Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Posted May 17, 2012 15:05 UTC (Thu) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link] (3 responses)

No offense, but don't be a dick. I was asking the user who clearly had an attachment to AOO to add a disclaimer of their affiliation. I can google as well as anyone but that doesn't mean lwn user rweir is the same person of AOO.

It might be biased, but I do keep up with Michael Meeks's blog (head of LO more or less) and don't really care either way so long as the community ends up with a quality OSS office suite.

Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Posted May 17, 2012 17:18 UTC (Thu) by jensend (guest, #1385) [Link] (2 responses)

Excuse me, there's no reason to start name-calling and personal attacks. I was not being impolite in any way.

I wasn't asking you to google his name. I was saying that if you had to google to find out who he was, there's little point trying to debate these people about it until you understand the situation better. It's impossible to have a clear picture of this without knowing about the people involved; a lot of how this whole thing has played out is due to the personal interactions between developers and the bad blood that has ensued. There have been dozens of turning points at which people could have found ways to cooperate more, for the better interest of all parties involved, but instead ended up slinging mud, epithets, and incivilities and going their separate ways.

I'm not placing blame on any one party. There are real causes for disagreement, negotiation and coming to workable agreements can be very hard tasks, and these people are engineers, not trained diplomats, so perhaps sometimes nobody should be blamed for not finding how to cooperate. In the cases where there really is blame to be assigned, though I'd guess that Weir has hurt his own cause more than most other folks, I for one am not in a position to judge.

When you talk to people about the split, they will talk about licenses and corporate interests and committer counts and consumer choice and unity. If you aren't aware of a little more of the background you're missing a lot of subtext, and if you debate these people about it you'll just be talking past each other.

Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Posted May 17, 2012 19:43 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (guest, #27950) [Link] (1 responses)

As I see it:

SEJeff is clearly curious and asks for more information. You used nice words to say that he should stay out of the discussion (though "waste of everyones time" is not really nice). This resulted in a more emotional reaction.

Seems bit like tit for tat game. Suggest both just stop.

Lotus Symphony code for OpenOffice coming soon

Posted May 18, 2012 0:44 UTC (Fri) by jensend (guest, #1385) [Link]

I certainly wasn't saying he should stay out of the discussion, I was saying he shouldn't try to debate AOO/Symphony devs about it, especially not Rob Weir. If someone really wants to try their hand at convincing the Grand Poobah of AOO that Oracle, IBM, etc really should have acquiesed to TDF in the first place, they'd better have a pretty darn good hand.


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