GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Sep 30, 2011 15:08 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: GNOME 3.2 released by NRArnot
Parent article: GNOME 3.2 released

I am not sure how the analogy fits since GNOME 2.x isn't your home. In any case, if you want to use GNOME 2.x with Fedora 15, maybe this is of interest

http://k3rnel.net/tag/bluebubble/

It is rough round the edges but maybe a feasible solution for you. I personally recommend GNOME fallback mode or Xfce instead if GNOME Shell isn't the UI you like.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 1, 2011 1:46 UTC (Sat) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (10 responses)

I bet a number people here spend more time in their Gnome setups than they do at home, and you might even find some who, if forced, would choose their finely-tuned desktops over the grubby apartments they live in. :)

It's a good thing that Gnome endears itself so strongly to people! That's why it would be nice if major upgrades tried to be a little less... traumatic.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 1, 2011 12:47 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (9 responses)

well except that it is someone else's home that you got to stay in for free and enjoy and can continue to do so for as long as you want. upgrading will often result in a slightly improved home or (rarely) a renovated new home. If you don't want that, there are some resorts (enterprise releases) which allow you to stay in the same place for much longer.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 1, 2011 15:46 UTC (Sat) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (8 responses)

I guess the analogy still has legs... Lots of places have laws that prevent landlords from making changes, even when the renter is paying nothing. Municipalities recognize that society works better when there are a few things that people can rely upon.

I hope in the future the Gnome team tries to make life a little easier on their renters and not just assume that people who don't like it can always go live in resorts. It would have been nice to be able to plan the move a little better. :)

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 1, 2011 21:01 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (7 responses)

If you want to stay in the old home, you are free to. There is no laws preventing a landlord from offering a new home especially if the house has some rooms that functions just like the old one. The landlord has been considerate enough to do that. Some people want to move to the new home and have all the rooms like just like the old home and refuse to move over to the resort as well. These people are bound to be unhappy.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 2, 2011 14:52 UTC (Sun) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

It's true, but users are often forced to upgrade to a new home. You buy a new printer or webcam, you want to open a new document format, etc.

Distros aren't granular.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 2, 2011 14:57 UTC (Sun) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (5 responses)

Also, nobody expects all the rooms look the same. But complaining might be expected if they discover they're been given a studio apartment with cement walls and broken heating.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 2, 2011 16:00 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (4 responses)

I don't see any broken homes. I see people complaining about the wall being painted black when they got the home for free. There are alternative homes with different arrangements. Go forth and use it! Xfce works for me just like GNOME 2.x does.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 3, 2011 23:30 UTC (Mon) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (3 responses)

Broken homes (3.0 regressions) have been belabored on LWN, on Gnome bugzilla, and elsewhere. If you said that they are regrettable but necessary then I might disagree but I could hear where you're coming from.

But, you say that 3.0 only painted the walls black? A few cosmetic changes? You sure we're talking about the same release?

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 4, 2011 2:09 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (2 responses)

Yes. We certainly are. Having gone through the 1.4 to 2.x transition before, I know and heard such talks about "regressions" before and we just have different perspectives. GNOME Shell is just a different UI to the same underlying components and very much a robust release compared to GNOME 2.0 or KDE 4.0. GNOME 3.2 has made some incremental progress and I am pretty sure when GNOME 4.0 gets released, people will be talking about how perfect 3.x was and how GNOME 4.x has destroyed all that. If you don't like the new UI, try out alternatives and there is a large amount of choices.

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 4, 2011 8:17 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (1 responses)

I'm talking about failing to work on hardware that previously ran Gnome 2. These seem like real regressions:

not working in VMs
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=263733
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=264530
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=264331
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6637295.html?sid=8d1...
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-May/...

Like you, I'm confident the driver issues will be worked out, the UI will be improved, and things will settle down again. All I'm saying is, judging by forum posts and mailing list messages, it feels like Gnome 3 did more than just paint the walls black!

(regretting speculating about someone liking Gnome more than his home... it seemed like an entertaining analogy at the time.)

GNOME 3.2 released

Posted Oct 4, 2011 11:32 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Sure. This is true of pretty much any major .0 release.