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linux-next on github

Posted Sep 21, 2011 6:58 UTC (Wed) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359)
In reply to: linux-next on github by rsidd
Parent article: linux-next on github

How many full-time admins do you suppose kernel.org has to work on this?

I'm not certain, but I think it is about 0.2.

I agree that it seems like a long time for it to be out, but I'll leave complaints about tardiness to the people who pay the bills and salaries for running kernel.org...


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Posted Sep 21, 2011 8:05 UTC (Wed) by andresfreund (subscriber, #69562) [Link]

I think some of the tardiness comes from the fact that there is about no information about whats going on out there.
I do realize that there is stuff that they won't publicize but giving some hint of progress/whats going on would go a long way.

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Posted Sep 21, 2011 12:16 UTC (Wed) by ebirdie (guest, #512) [Link] (1 responses)

I think this isn't the whole picture of the problem.

Yes, certainly, this big and important service needs on-demand admin staffing and financial backing. Both are required to gain faster recovery, if the situation really is what is said above.

The situation (lack of financial backing, lack of full-time on-demand admins, raising voices "how the service can be down this long", service downtime having effects beyond convenience matters) are a proof those are lacking and needed, if the service is kept going on as before.

I think the whole picture also includes the problem of a centralized service and its size going up. Some time before the intrusion I read about news how the kernel.org service has got new hardware and old repurposed. All I was left to think about was, how big and complicated the service has become and the persons doing the admin work.

On one part I do feel desire to take a part on the challenge to keep up a service of size like kernel.org on volunteer basis, but on the other part I don't want it anymore. I have been on that grill for full payment and not sure, if it should be ok for admins to scale up. It wasn't ok for Linus to scale up in kernel development back in 10 years ago.

I see there is a technical and service modeling challenge to distribute the service and data under a service like kernel.org. One interesting technology to riddle oneself's design brain cells was lately introduced at lwn.net: Is it FileTea time?
https://lwn.net/Articles/458537/

The current mirroring model has pretty limited function today and, in respect to the above hint in FileTea, I think it pretty much wastes resources to what it seems worth in a service interuption case like this as the ultimate goal is to keep the service unaffected whatever happened. The mirrors do have their value, that is undeniable.

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Posted Sep 21, 2011 18:34 UTC (Wed) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

the fact that kernel.org takes the time to explicitly acknowledge the donation of individual servers (however large they are) is a good indication of how small they are.

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Posted Sep 21, 2011 13:22 UTC (Wed) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

Actually, kernel.org has a full-time admin paid by the Linux Foundation. I suspect he's working rather more than full time at the moment, though.


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