Debian debates systemd

> I can hardly call 50000 LOC and a sort of dependency on dbus a "a tighly integrated, small, minimal, lightweight system".
systemd needs some kind of IPC, and D-Bus is the only sane choice. Or, as Poettering himself put it: "Now you have two options: every project can implement its own IPC, duplicate code, and fuck it up. Or all projects use the same, powerful one with bindings for all programming languages, that has been reviewed thoroughly, is well known and hence relatively secure."

> The only benefit I see so far is for desktop boot time
Yeah right, because being able to reliably kill a service is not a benefit. Or getting rid of all the inter-service dependency crap because socket activiation just magically does the Right Thing.