Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
That trend is continuing in a good direction. A new study of the first full year of decisions applying Bilski to software confirms that the direction of the case law is toward finding software is not patentable subject matter." The full study is available as a 118-page PDF.
Posted Jul 18, 2011 18:40 UTC (Mon)
by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048)
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I wish that were truly a trend, but unfortunately it's not. I have reviewed several post-Bilski rulings. Contrary to what Rob Tiller probably wants people to believe, none of them finds software unpatentable because it's software and therefore too abstract by definition. The fact is that only poorly-drafted patent applications face certains problems (as they already did in the past) because they're too abstract -- but they would also be considered too abstract if they were unrelated to software. I don't know what Red Hat wants to achieve by telling such stories that a legally unsophisticated audience is likely to misunderstand. Just like they described their Firestar settlement in ways that many community members probably interpreted as them having defeated the troll -- when in reality they coughed up $4.2 million. Just for an example of how they tried to mislead people: their Q&A stated that the lawsuit was "dismissed". That sounds like a defeat for the plaintiff, but it wasn't: it was a voluntary dismissal as a result of Red Hat agreeing to pay up as they routinely do. In the Firestar case they were, at least according their own claims and Eben Moglen's blessings, in compliance with the GPL. In some of their other settlements they didn't even make that claim, let alone present Eben Moglen's or a similar authority's blessings ot the community. The gist of the Bilski ruling in terms of software can be summed up in two sentences: The ruling and the minority positions didn't even touch on software in any remotely restrictive way but instead there was one passage that actually used new technologies as an argument against restricting the patentability of ubsiness methods. The ruling made it very clear that anyone seeking to restrict the scope of patentable subject matter has to talk to Congress, not to the judges. That's the essence of what Bilski was about. In fact, Red Hat's former in-house counsel Mark Webbink just confirmed that outcome in his most recent Groklaw posting: "While many of us had hoped the decision in Bilski [PDF] would be a first step, the U.S. Supreme Court clearly placed the determination of patentable subject matter in the lap of the U.S. Congress. Yes, Bilksi may have trimmed around the edges, but clever patent attorneys will still work around it. Moreover, given that the U.S. Congress has taken more than eight years to get a patent reform bill to a vote, it simply is not likely that Congress would vote to remove software from the realm of patents." Again, Mark Webbink, ex-Red Hat, now Groklaw. and I agree with every bit of that quote. So why does Rob Tiller raise false hopes in people? The easiest explanation is that Red Hat is all about business (and not all about fighting software patents). Maybe Red Hat believes that all of the software patent litigation in connection with smartphones -- including the fact that Android has now, on a preliminary basis, been found to infringe a couple of Apple patents -- could discourage people from contributing to and/or deploying open source software. Red Hat obviously has a business interest in making people comfortable. But it's ridiculous to suggest that Bilski has seriously changed anything important about the patentability of software. Instead, the Bilski ruling reaffirmed the concept of an expansive patent system that grows as technology evolves into new fields. The Bilski decision was a clear message, and Mark Webbink interpreted it correctly: only Congress can restrict the scope of patentable subject matter (or the enforceability of patents). Red Hat doesn't do anything serious to persuade politicians to abolish. So a secondary objective of Red Hat's post-Bilski spin doctoring may be to distract the open source community from Red Hat's failure to take serious action in that area. Red Hat spends many millions on trolls. In the Firestar case, the precise number came out: $4.2 million. Some of the other settlements may have been even more expensive. But I doubt Red Hat has spent even 1% of its payments to trolls on efforts to bring about change. Why? Because Red Hat just wants to turn a short-term profit, and wants to curry favor with the community through window-dressing measures because that also serves a business purpose. I know from Wall Street sources that Red Hat contributed at least $50 million to the Open Invention Network -- a self-proclaimed protective mechanism that still doesn't have even one verifiable success story. It has a couple hundred members but gave a non-member, Salesforce.com, patents to assert against Microsoft -- to no avail apparently. They never talked about it. That's why their name begins with "Open". That's why "open" source company Red Hat is one of its most active members. I just wanted to draw attention to issues that really call into question Red Hat's credibility in connection with these issues.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 14:42 UTC (Tue)
by spot (guest, #15640)
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But no ordinary troll, this one trolls for money. Tell us Florian, oh worshipper of transparency and openness, who do you work for? Who pays for your trolling?
Posted Jul 19, 2011 14:53 UTC (Tue)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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I don't understand this negativity towards Florian Mueller from everywhere (Slashdot, now apparently here too).
Posted Jul 19, 2011 15:46 UTC (Tue)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Florian apparently has reached a point where, whenever he posts something, people will accuse him of trolling without first going to the trouble of reading his actual comment. Think of it as a Pavlovian reflex. Also, for some folks, »He's trolling!« seems to be a less embarrassing way of saying »I don't like what he writes but can't think of a good factual counter-argument«.
Personally I found his comment rather interesting.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 16:43 UTC (Tue)
by k8to (guest, #15413)
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Still, that point has been well made by now and I find it a bit boring on its own.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 16:50 UTC (Tue)
by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048)
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A comment like that is my personal initiative only. The notion that Microsoft sends and pays someone to say Red Hat should do more lobbying against software patents (by comparison with how much it spends on OIN and settlements with trolls) is just absurd and, as such, not even worthy of a denial among reasonable people.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 17:13 UTC (Tue)
by spot (guest, #15640)
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Just tell us who pays your bills, and remove all doubt.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 17:16 UTC (Tue)
by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048)
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Posted Jul 19, 2011 17:32 UTC (Tue)
by spot (guest, #15640)
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Posted Jul 19, 2011 20:44 UTC (Tue)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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Even if we assume hypothetically that Florian Mueller is being paid by an unknown entity, what exactly is the problem with that? Do we trust only people who are unemployed? Should we distrust our own John Corbet's articles because after all he is being paid (surely far less than he deserves) to write them?
Posted Jul 19, 2011 22:01 UTC (Tue)
by clump (subscriber, #27801)
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This behaviour, regardless of whether it appears on LWN or is authored by the gentleman we're referring to, is generally frowned upon. I'd argue LWN has a high standard because people are willing to challenge such behaviour.
Some of the people that "make" Linux post here. A random reader can count on LWN to be an accurate reflection of the Linux world, with thoughts of those that comprise it.
Is it not understandable when there is resistance to those who would rather destroy than create?
Posted Jul 19, 2011 17:54 UTC (Tue)
by boog (subscriber, #30882)
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However, it's not impossible that FM is expressing sincerely held beliefs, reflecting a fascination with powerful corporate interests and their expression through patent weaponry. Some other people suspected of being directly influenced by Microsoft (for instance) do appear in the end to have been sincere if misguided; the case of Alex Brown of OOXML standardisation fame springs to mind, as he seemed genuinely surprised and upset when Microsoft did not keep the promises they made to his committee.
Still, it would certainly be very interesting to have a peek at FM's tax returns...
Posted Jul 19, 2011 20:20 UTC (Tue)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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I'd respectfully suggest you hold it right there. Basically what you're doing is back-handedly accusing Florian of lying, which in your place I wouldn't want to do without a lot more evidence than »would« and »could«.
The most interesting issue is not whether Florian is being »paid to lobby«, it's whether what he says is correct. Here on LWN.net people are usually judged on the merit of what they have to say, so as long as Florian makes interesting and constructive contributions to the discussion, who really cares who signs his paycheck? Many people participate in these discussions, and their funding comes from all sorts of places, including, I'm sure, outfits that are not known for a particular friendliness towards FLOSS. Why should Florian be the only one to have to justify himself, simply because he sometimes posts things that other people here find uncomfortable?
If that is so important to you then feel free to set a good example by letting us have a peek at your tax returns.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 22:04 UTC (Tue)
by boog (subscriber, #30882)
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Well, after spending many hours discussing with him (online) and reading his output, I've made up my own mind that he does use a lot of weasel words in order to present a very one-sided view and to avoid ever having to concede a point. To the extent that I struggle to imagine his motivation/psychology. I'm afraid I would consider it perfectly in character for him to make such a statement even if he were receiving stock options to lower Google's profile (after all, you lobby a government, not LWN...)
I think you'll find that many people have given FM a chance (I did). LWN discussions are pretty open-minded, after all, as you point out. But the "merit of what [he has] to say" is on average quite limited. Yes, one issue is that I dislike the depressing picture of patents that he paints. You do end up getting tired of the one-sided point of view, even if it may contain some grains of truth and could be sincere. Worse, though, once you start following the details, you'll find that those instant opinions about (for example) how badly Google/Android is doing (strangely, he seems to work that meme into many postings) are often not so clear after some analysis. Which makes you wonder why it was so important to get the bad analysis out so quickly and never to correct it. And I'm not (at all) alone among open-minded people in questioning his motivation, even on LWN. Maybe there's a reason for that. I did say "interesting"; I didn't and don't suggest that he publish them. Unless he wants to convince the accumulating skeptics. Enjoy your enlightening discussions with FM!
Posted Jul 20, 2011 6:24 UTC (Wed)
by rahvin (guest, #16953)
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Maybe I'm just paranoid but I'm not the only one that's picked up on this as you can see from the questions regarding his employment and his ability to dodge the question while appearing to respond (which he hasn't). There is a very serious campaign of building a backlog of Astroturfed concern in the Internet community on the danger of Android in the works here and frankly the people who've noticed it are concerned about what the ultimate goal is, hence the questions about who's paying him to make these posts and articles.
Who is funding this should be a concern to the community because this attempt is very subtle and being orchestrated with long term goals of projecting a serious concern about the danger of patents to FOSS, Linux, Google and Android. That goal could be anything from Microsoft trying to sow FUD about Android to increase Windows Mobile uptake to building a "public outcry" that could be used as a basis for legislation detrimental to FOSS. Frankly I find any of the possibilities I can come up with to be quite scary.
Posted Jul 21, 2011 13:11 UTC (Thu)
by ccurtis (guest, #49713)
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I'll admit I haven't studied FM as much as you appear to, but isn't sowing FUD the essence of what lawyers do? As professional programmers, every statement you write includes a "What could go wrong here?" clause; within the legal system, the same rule applies.
It sounds as though your objection is that, while everything done involves some level of risk, FM states what (he perceives) those risks to be. That makes them no less valid, nor ignoring them any less wise. While ignoring the risk is often the right thing to do, so is being reminded of it.
RedHat, in this case, to his perspective, is trying to hand-wave away the risk by saying it's being mitigated and getting better (true or not), while the fundamental issue of software patents remain. FM further says that this isn't going to be decided by the courts, it has to be addressed in congress, and he disagrees with the way RedHat is spending it's money.
Now, RedHat doesn't seem to me to be the same company it was 10 years ago but FM may be pushing things a bit far here - attributing to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. But it's also true that RedHat is a business and not a patent-busting PAC, as much as he may want it to be.
Posted Jul 21, 2011 22:24 UTC (Thu)
by louie (guest, #3285)
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Posted Jul 20, 2011 15:09 UTC (Wed)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Jul 20, 2011 16:05 UTC (Wed)
by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
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Posted Jul 20, 2011 22:34 UTC (Wed)
by k8to (guest, #15413)
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Posted Jul 21, 2011 9:34 UTC (Thu)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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FWIW, I personally think some of Florian's points are quite interesting and, though I think his often too-dogged, never-leave-a-comment-unanswered style here doesn't do him any favours, I *don't* agree with those who consider him a troll. Sometimes Florian is actually right, I think (e.g. on some aspects of the TurboHercules/IBM case, and the anti-competitive levering that IBM is using).
Still, I don't see why Florian can't disclose his interests. That he refuses to do so will influence many people's perception of his arguments. Again, this is completely normal, long-standing and necessary human behaviour.
Posted Jul 21, 2011 10:24 UTC (Thu)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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This is a no-win situation as far as Florian is concerned. If he actually was to post his income tax returns, many people would probably say they were faked, etc., etc. Think »Obama's birth certificate« :^)
Posted Jul 21, 2011 10:38 UTC (Thu)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Jul 21, 2011 11:59 UTC (Thu)
by clump (subscriber, #27801)
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Posted Jul 21, 2011 19:46 UTC (Thu)
by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
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FWIW, I've never met Linus, or Florian, or our esteemed editor either. Sure, I've seen photograps purporting to be their likenesess, but that doesn't convince me that Linus has anything to do with coding, Florian's picture is of somebody who likes to stirr flames, and Jon's of somebody who tries mildly insane stuff just to have something to write about. The point is that whoever/whatever "hides" behind the PJ name has gained my trust. Ditto for the others, they could be space aliens, or a name for a hill full of gnomes for all I care.
Posted Jul 20, 2011 1:47 UTC (Wed)
by lakeland (guest, #1157)
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I have seen you make statements which were designed to mislead readers. Now I've seen you've made another post and maybe it's got some useful content in it, but I'm more worried about being mislead than about missing out on your insights.
Regards,
Posted Jul 19, 2011 17:39 UTC (Tue)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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I find his posts and his blog informative and interesting (if quite depressing). I don't automatically accept them as axiomatic truth and neither should you or anybody else. But to denounce them based on (unfounded) speculation that he is paid to lobby is ... wrong.
In this specific case he is rightly pointing out that Red Hat could perhaps be doing more to fight patents. But Red Hat is a for profit company, they are not a free software crusader.
It is actually kind of sad that we have to rely on big business to lobby for something that is intuitively right. We are all screwed.
Posted Jul 20, 2011 0:06 UTC (Wed)
by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
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Tiller, on the other hand actually provides us with a link to a 118 page pdf document which does a detailed analysis by 3rd parties lawyers that we can all read on our own and then can draw our own conclusions from. is the 118 page report valid analysis? Are Tiller's conclusions drawn from the analysis a reasonable interpretation? Would any of us draw starkly different conclusions from the same report than Tiller does? Is the report missing something crucial bit of analysis or data? 182 cases sounds like a lot, but hey maybe they are the wrong 182 cases to use as a sample to base trending on.
These are the sort of questions we can answer for ourselves once we read the report. Questions FM hasn't made an effort to ask or answer. All we know is he's done his own unpublished analysis of recent court cases and he has an opinion. FM hasn't providing any factual information to the table which would call into question the analysis of the 182 cases in the report. He's editorializing to make his own points about Red Hat's behavior in a larger context.
Regardless of whether or not one is paid to have an opinion, constructive discussion about the trend in question needs published methodology and analysis or we will never get past perceived agendas and talking points.
I can't fault FM for persistence on the points he cares about, but I can fault him for failing to actually speak to the contents of the specific report in question that Tiller is holding up for us. Nor has FM or brought missing information into the public record that he feels the report is lacking. That's a shame. if anyone is going to blow credibility holes in that report, FM would be the person to do it. I certainly don't want to get my hopes up based on poor analysis. But I expect much more than "my own unpublished personal review of recent cases" as a counter argument.
Though in all fairness to FM, we should probably ask the authors of the report that Tiller bases his article on, if they have ever been contracted to represent Red Hat in a patent dispute. Hopefully they won't refuse to answer that question.
-jef
Posted Jul 19, 2011 18:23 UTC (Tue)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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Software IS maths. Patents on maths are not allowed in the US.
I hope Florian won't mind the comparison, fwiw I feel Petain was wrongly condemned after WWII, but Florian is seen as by many FLOSS people like Petain. France lost the war, and Petain salvaged what he could. Illegal or not, we have software patents, and Florian is trying to make the best of a bad job.
Trouble is, most FLOSS people take the Jervis Bay attitude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Jervis_Bay_%28F40%29 Software patents are illegal, in both the US and Europe. And while Bilski may help us to win, there's a long way to go.
Cheers,
Posted Jul 20, 2011 10:52 UTC (Wed)
by patrick_g (subscriber, #44470)
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Posted Jul 20, 2011 12:41 UTC (Wed)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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Jervis Bay, Ramillies, Pommern, Bismarck ...
We have the resources, and the firepower, to destroy software patents. It'll be a long-drawn out battle, with casualties, but Bilski could be the torpedo in the steering gear.
Cheers,
Posted Jul 20, 2011 14:45 UTC (Wed)
by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
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Florian Mueller sometimes (rarely, but still) raises valid points. Sure, his flinging around unrepeatable "own research results" with no clear (and probably flimsy) base isn't up to the high standards our esteemed editor has spoiled us with for so long now. But the interminable flamefests that inevitably ensue here whenever he pipes up are far more annoying than he ever will be. Why not just let it rest? Pretty please?
Posted Jul 19, 2011 16:33 UTC (Tue)
by MW-NC (guest, #77056)
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Posted Jul 19, 2011 16:37 UTC (Tue)
by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048)
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Posted Jul 19, 2011 20:31 UTC (Tue)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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I rather wish you'd go to some other site instead or just stop the XXX-is-actually-evil theme (in this post: XXX=Red Hat).
Posted Jul 19, 2011 20:58 UTC (Tue)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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I don't think Florian wants to paint Red Hat as »evil«. What his comment seems to say is that, in the software patent field, they are acting like a publically traded company (which by law is required to attempt to turn a profit) rather than a knight in shining armour fighting on behalf of the FLOSS community. This is very different from »evil«. It is obvious that Red Hat could do a lot more to work towards the outright abolishing of software patents, but it is also obvious that it might not automatically be in the company's best interest to actually devote a lot of resources to this, when it may be more commercially expedient to make other arrangements.
The problem, it seems, is really with people who would much rather see Red Hat as the knight in shining armour, and who do not enjoy being told (by Florian) that Red Hat sometimes acts like a commercial company. Red Hat is not in the business of making the world a better place. Red Hat, like any company, is in the business of generating profits for its investors. They may go about that by doing things that also happen to make the world a better place, which is nice, and so far they seem to have a pretty good track record compared to many other companies, but they are under no obligation to do so.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 21:11 UTC (Tue)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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Posted Jul 19, 2011 22:12 UTC (Tue)
by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
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I don't know where this very strange idea comes from. It simply isn't true.
Posted Jul 20, 2011 22:11 UTC (Wed)
by cmccabe (guest, #60281)
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Is it?
I have a hard time imagining what Red Hat could be doing to help the anti-software patent cause, that they are not already doing. In the Bilski case, they were one of the few companies to file an amicus curiae brief coming out against all software patents. Google also filed an amicus curiae, but they only recommended the abolition of business method patents, not all software patents (I'm simplifying a little here, read the brief if you want to know more).
You could argue that Red Hat should refuse to pay any and all patent trolls, but in the real world, that is simply not an option. Even Microsoft and Google pay patent trolls, and they have much bigger war chests than Red Hat. You have to choose which cases to fight, and which to settle. Fighting losing battles is worse than useless-- it's actually harmful, since it can establish judicial precedents that could grease the wheels for future trolls.
You could argue that Red Hat should publicize the patent cases they lose, but it's not clear how that would help abolish software patents.
So really, in summary, I think Red Hat has a pretty good record on this particular issue.
Posted Jul 19, 2011 16:50 UTC (Tue)
by dlapine (guest, #7358)
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I admit, I didn't have the time or desire to read a 115 pages of legal analysis, but was his short summary factually incorrect or misleading?
If not, perhaps less time spent writing about RedHat's "lack of openness" might be in order for an article with a focus on Bilski and any change it might have caused in recent court rulings.
The two issues seem to be tangential, at best.
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
I don't understand this negativity towards Florian Mueller from everywhere (Slashdot, now apparently here too).
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
So how is "lobby" defined in this context? If he would describe any of his activities not to be "lobbying", he could still be paid for the part that is not "lobbying" without having told a direct lie above.
Still, it would certainly be very interesting to have a peek at FM's tax returns...
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
I'd respectfully suggest you hold it right there. Basically what you're doing is back-handedly accusing Florian of lying, which in your place I wouldn't want to do without a lot more evidence than »would« and »could«.
The most interesting issue is not whether Florian is being »paid to lobby«, it's whether what he says is correct. Here on LWN.net people are usually judged on the merit of what they have to say, so as long as Florian makes interesting and constructive contributions to the discussion, who really cares who signs his paycheck?
If that is so important to you then feel free to set a good example by letting us have a peek at your tax returns.
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
The goal of this action seems to be to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt about Linux/FOSS is [sic] general, Google as the prime actor and Android as the primary target.
isn't sowing FUD the essence of what lawyers do?FM is not a lawyer.
Florian not a lawyer. We have enough image problems without getting tarred with his antics, thanks :)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Still, I don't see why Florian can't disclose his interests. That he refuses to do so will influence many people's perception of his arguments.
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
From https://lwn.net/Articles/437661/:
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
The word "her" needs citation. There was an avatar named "PJ", who claimed that "PJ" meant "Pamela Jones", but there was never any verifiable track record, such as past and current employers, and "PJ" never presented "herself" in public. I just explained in another comment here that this lack of transparency wasn't reasonable.
Perhaps if Florian cannot provide "any verifiable track record, such as past and current employers", he shouldn't demand the same of others.
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Corrin
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Software patents are explicitly forbidden in Europe.
Wol
>>> France lost the warOff topic but....
"This war is not limited to the unfortunate territory of our country. This war is not over as a result of the Battle of France. This war is a worldwide war. All the mistakes, all the delays, all the suffering, do not alter the fact that there are, in the world, all the means necessary to crush our enemies one day. Vanquished today by mechanical force, in the future we will be able to overcome by a superior mechanical force. The fate of the world depends on it".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_of_18_June
Off topic but....
Wol
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
public companies
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)
> the outright abolishing of software patents,
Bilski's growing up, and smacking down some bad software patents (opensource.com)