DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Posted Jul 12, 2011 13:08 UTC (Tue) by SEJeff (guest, #51588)
In reply to: DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3) by jderose
Parent article: DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Please do not put words in my mouth I never said. I said that the idea of novacut was quite revolutionary. I also said that no code for novacut has been written. Where is novacut? I know that you've written dmedia, but didn't say you hadn't written any code for it. I never once called you an idiot OR an alcoholic.

I said that the idea of giving some random guy who says he has ruined his personal finances working fulltime on an open source app is a very bad idea. Clearly that shows a lack of responsibiliy yet very strong convictions on your own part. How do I know you won't use those $$$ to go pay down your own debt and then disappear? I don't and by nature, I'm sceptical of people who say they will do things without accountability. Open source / Free software people are often very big proponents of transparency. I find it almost repulsive that you're going about it asking for donations this way. It sounds an awful lot like pan handling. Now if you were to say setup a novacut non-profit (difficult) or something through the Software in the Public Interest (free for you to do) to solicit donations that could be:
- Tracked
- Accounted for
- Claimed on tax forms as donations to a non-profit

I might actually even give you money. No seriously, my main beef is with the way you've went about things and the ridiculous claims (you already are better than final cut) to get media juice. It sounds like a snake oil salesman. If that was all incorrect and I am an a$$ (very likely), I apologize, however I still stand by everything previously said. You are going about asking for handouts the completely wrong way.

When I said you have 0 lines of code, it was referring to novacut, which still seems to be a theoretical piece of software. Sorry if this upset you.

DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Posted Jul 12, 2011 14:17 UTC (Tue) by spaetz (guest, #32870) [Link] (3 responses)

> How do I know you won't use those $$$ to go pay down your own debt and then disappear? I don't ...

So you are trusting those internet startups that get $50m for doing a web-IM app or whatever much more?

RMS foregoing a safe University position to create GNU shouldn't be trusted either, I mean that man acted irrational.

:-) Sorry, for all the right things you could have said ("show me the code") is certainly more convincing, the "ran out of money- so not trustworthy" part is the least convincing...

DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Posted Jul 12, 2011 15:26 UTC (Tue) by SEJeff (guest, #51588) [Link]

And in reality, he likely will do the right thing. But it is important that he proves he will do the right thing vs just says he will do it. Jason has talked with the upstreams of a few other video editors if I recall correctly about dmedia and decided a new one from scratch is the right way to do things. But right now, there isn't any code for novacut. As you said already, show us the code is the best response. Until there is some, I will remain skeptical.

DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Posted Jul 13, 2011 8:26 UTC (Wed) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (1 responses)

Those internet startups aren't asking me to put my money towards their project, so they're kinda irrelevant; if they did ask, I'd have exactly the same reaction as SEJeff - "You want my money? Fine. Show me what you've got that indicates that I'm going to get something I want out of it". Similarly, had RMS asked for money before he'd got useful GNU stuff for me to pay for, I'd have had the same reaction to him; he didn't get money from me until I found GNU Emacs sufficiently useful to be worth paying for (at which point I bought the paper documentation to supplement the electronic docs, and made a small donation with it).

If there was enough of Novacut out there to see that he's got the basis for a project, and just needs money to complete it, I might get interested; as it is, for all I know, I'm about to be like the guys who spent millions on Boo.com.

DeRose: Designing pro creative apps (Part 1-3)

Posted Jul 13, 2011 9:03 UTC (Wed) by spaetz (guest, #32870) [Link]

And with that we'll simply have to agree to disagree. I wasn't implying that you should throw money after every project. I am simply taking offense with this attitude:

> I said that the idea of giving some random guy who says he has ruined his personal finances working fulltime on an open source app is a very bad idea. Clearly that shows a lack of responsibiliy yet very strong convictions on your own part.

I'd rather give the man who ruined his finances and works towards achieving something he believes than any nutcrack applying for millions of VC funds without any personal engagement. But that's all besides the point and not part of the article, so I will stop here.