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systemd comparison with GNOME 3 is slightly unfair

systemd comparison with GNOME 3 is slightly unfair

Posted Jun 22, 2011 21:26 UTC (Wed) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
In reply to: systemd comparison with GNOME 3 is slightly unfair by mjg59
Parent article: Fedora, systemd, and changes

Re password stealing, yes that's a massive concern. If a WM lets random apps paint over arbitrary windows - other than perhaps children - and steal focus without user-acknowledgement, that doesn't seem a sensible WM. Old school WMs used to require that the user explicitly place new windows with a click - which avoided the problem of focus being stolen unawares. So it's perhaps not right to say FFS is a security risk of itself, and it seems more a problem of WM window placement policy and/or how/when new windows are given focus that should be addressed, and probably regardless of focus policy. (However, this is far from my area of expertise ;) ).

Re the panel bar, if that's a temporarily missing feature, does that seem like good release engineering to you? We've seen since this "Ah, but that will be added back later" intent before, e.g. GDM and the configuration tool for it, but I bet there are more examples. It turns out that intentions don't always result in code.

OTOH, if it's a deliberate design decision then I remain confused at how GNOME 3 aims for consistence while effectively encouraging massive code divergence amongst its users!


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systemd comparison with GNOME 3 is slightly unfair

Posted Jun 22, 2011 21:35 UTC (Wed) by me@jasonclinton.com (subscriber, #52701) [Link]

Re the panel bar, if that's a temporarily missing feature, does that seem like good release engineering to you? We've seen since this "Ah, but that will be added back later" intent before, e.g. GDM and the configuration tool for it, but I bet there are more examples. It turns out that intentions don't always result in code.

OTOH, if it's a deliberate design decision then I remain confused at how GNOME 3 aims for consistence while effectively encouraging massive code divergence amongst its users!
It's the later case. Like people who install Firefox extensions, installing a GNOME Shell extension should be the kind of activity that is well understood as being essentially unlimited in its power to change everything, is the kind of activity which can not be accidentally activated, and has the benefit of being undo-able by simply disabling the extension in the UI for extensions. At least, that's the broad plan. We'll see what makes it in for 3.2.

systemd comparison with GNOME 3 is slightly unfair

Posted Jun 22, 2011 21:40 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> We've seen since this "Ah, but that will be added back later" intent before, e.g. GDM and the configuration tool for it,

Aaaahh... the "great GDM rewrite", one of the best free software stories ever. Glad you mentioned it

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=433649


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