Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

Posted Jun 13, 2011 10:24 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem by elanthis
Parent article: Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

"Obviously they do need backups, but if they need backups _even more_ than they do elsewhere, something is horribly wrong."

So you agree that they need backups for all their important data. Since I never claimed that they need it more than anywhere else, we are in complete agreement.

Anyone who is using Btrfs as this point or in the near future is hardly likely to be a casual desktop user anyway. So I hardly see why we are so bothered about my single statement that everyone should have backups.

The following is a side point but you are assuming a lot. Nowhere did I claim nor imply that I am helping anyone setup backups. In fact, I do not and I played no part at all in them setting up backups. Maybe my experience is different but since I never said that this was the average end user experience, there is no need to argue about that or assume that. So far, I haven't seen any neutral data on how many average end users actually do backups. Your opinions don't count.

Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

Posted Jun 14, 2011 21:12 UTC (Tue) by elanthis (guest, #6227) [Link] (4 responses)

When you spend 30 seconds googling, you easily find facts and studies. :)

Here's the very first link for "user backups study" which incidentally claims that 92% of users do not perform regular backups. The results page on Google has a number of other such papers and reports from other sources.

http://www.backblaze.com/press-June-is-Backup-Awareness-M...

Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

Posted Jun 15, 2011 8:40 UTC (Wed) by jezuch (subscriber, #52988) [Link] (2 responses)

> 92% of users do not perform regular backups

On the other hand it says that as many as 8% of users *do* perform regular backups. Isn't it kinda optimistic? ;)

software nags some into backing up

Posted Jun 17, 2011 22:02 UTC (Fri) by skierpage (guest, #70911) [Link]

8% performing regular backups sounds about right. System "security" software nags you to make backups. E.g. my family Thinkpad running Windows has Lenovo's ThinkVantage Rescue and Recovery software nagging to make backups, and also the Norton 360 anti-virus icon displays an angry red X if you don't make regular backups. Alas the two programs don't understand each other, the former wastes disk space unless you manage backup generations, and the latter is dog slow navigating files to restore and doesn't backup the right directories for email software like Thunderbird and SeaMonkey. But if users with such utilities on their system bother to make the checkmarks go green, they're doing some kind of backup.

(I don't trust either of them, I occasionally fiddle with Unison and rsync to synchronize key directories to a storage drive where I can see files.)

Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

Posted Jun 21, 2011 13:26 UTC (Tue) by ssam (guest, #46587) [Link]

backing up on macosx is very easy, so that might be a fairly big chunk of the 8%.

maybe the distro installers should be asking people to choose a backup device.

Fedora 16 to use Btrfs as its default filesystem

Posted Jun 15, 2011 8:42 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

30 seconds googling is not enough to verify any facts. Just see some links. I honestly don't know what average users do and don't really care. My statement on backups should be read in context which has nothing to do with average users anyway but people who are trying btrfs now.