Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register)

Posted May 10, 2011 3:49 UTC (Tue) by idupree (guest, #71169)
In reply to: Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register) by xxiao
Parent article: Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register)

Also, Debian has been getting stronger.

And even unpatched upstream development has better autoconfiguration than in the past:

(For example I run Arch Linux which hardly patches at all, and I didn't need to do anything to make Xorg work when I installed Arch last year. Two or three years ago Xorg required configuration, at least on my hardware...even sometimes on Ubuntu!)

Thank Red Hat, Intel and AMD for that

Posted May 10, 2011 12:01 UTC (Tue) by wtogami (subscriber, #32325) [Link]

Upstream getting stronger including your Xorg example is largely due to investments made by Red Hat, Intel and AMD.

Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register)

Posted May 10, 2011 14:18 UTC (Tue) by tpo (subscriber, #25713) [Link] (2 responses)

> Also, Debian has been getting stronger.

I don't know in which sense.

Since I went back from Ubuntu to Debian on my laptop with an extremely standard Intel GM965/GL960 video chipset, wakeup from RAM is not reliable at all any more, when in Ubuntu it was finally rock solid.

And the upgrade to squeeze of our servers was the most tiring ever: a lot of manual interaction and I'm still not finished. A *smooth* upgrade took something over an hour of "standing by" in average. Compared to upgrading our only Ubuntu server from the before last (!) LTS to the current one, which only took 13min, no questions asked, no manual interaction at all needed.

What's very annoying with Debian upgrades is the million of questions asked, grub1 -> grub2 upgrade requires *2* reboots, preparing for insserv boot was laborous, postgres 8.3 doesn't even boot properly any more, munin breaks with config files that were working just fine previously, etc. etc. etc.

Not very thrilling.

Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register)

Posted May 10, 2011 20:48 UTC (Tue) by mikov (guest, #33179) [Link] (1 responses)

That is funny. I recently upgraded several servers from Lenny to Squeeze with zero trouble, and at least three were running PostgreSQL 8.3.

At the same time, my last Ubuntu upgrade made my laptop unusable for about a week.

Which only goes to show that your or my individual experiences are meaningless :-)

Meanwhile LTS bugs like this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/resolvconf/+bug... are still present in Ubuntu a year later.

Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register)

Posted May 11, 2011 8:34 UTC (Wed) by AndreE (guest, #60148) [Link]

which actually goes to show that upgrading in itself is a dangerous exercise, and safe upgrading is still a problem that hasn't been solved