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Posted May 1, 2011 21:22 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Parent article: Poettering: Why systemd?

That means it supports the usual system calls and command line utilities so you can get basic stuff to run on it. It doesn't vouch for the underlying philosophy.

Even Windows NT used to be POSIX certified, way back when, and nobody would have confused that with a real Unix.

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Posted May 2, 2011 13:32 UTC (Mon) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

The so-called "Unix philosophy" most of the time boils down to dogmatism and retrogressiveness, so I honestly couldn't care less about it. Cyberax summed it up pretty well here.

Unlike the people bullshitting about the "Unix philosophy", people like the Mac OS X developers and Lennart Poettering actually have visions about where they want the system to go, and they're not afraid to point out the suckiness of traditional system components like X11 or sysvinit. And this is the reason why Linux and Mac OS X thrive, while nobody gives a fuck about traditional Unix systems and their "philosophy" anymore.

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Posted May 2, 2011 14:40 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (1 responses)

The so-called "Unix philosophy" most of the time boils down to dogmatism and retrogressiveness, []

I would recommend you take a look at the Wikipedia page on »Unix philosophy«. That should disabuse you of that particular notion.

Note that there is nothing on that page that says »Don't go for better solutions to existing problems.« And with all philosophies, this stuff is not meant to encourage one to stop thinking on one's own. That way lies blind fanaticism.

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Posted May 2, 2011 15:19 UTC (Mon) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Having looked at that, I really fail to be persuaded that systemd violates Unix philosophy even half as severely as most of the Lennartware-haters say it does.